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Old 06-30-2021, 06:09 PM
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Hey everybody,

Thanks so much for all the good numbers and the work to get them for me, it means a lot to me.
I had to take a "honey do" break and build a water barrel cart for my little garden tractor. The garden is in and it does need watering and our ridiculous size rain barrel is about 120 feet from the garden. To be honest it was always on the list of uses for said tractor and I am happy with it. It was good welding practice too and all the stuff I had been saving to make it from is now used up and out of my way. win, win, win

I am currently hanging out in the basement doing some large suspension layout drawings and fiddling with the numbers.

Jim given your sizes without the lowering blocks and factoring in for the tire sizes I see the front would come in about 6 1/2" and that seems to fit right in with the rest of the info I am seeing here. A slight bit of a rake on the frame too.

I am going to run 205/70R15 all the way around and they are about 26.3 inches varying a bit for final tire pressures and tire brands. My current rear figure looks to be 7 1/8" if I want to run the lower arm parallel to the ground (mostly always a good idea) and use the stock inner mount location too. So that all looks promising but it is going to depend on where I need the static roll center to be and a couple of other points to ponder.

As for the front, my mock up had it a bit on the low side so I will move it up into the 7 inch range too as I have a bit more freedom in the mounting locations.
I think if I can shoot for 6 to 7ish inches front and back with it being acceptable to have the back slightly higher than the front, I think it will be OK.

This really is just a street car, "fast road" as the Brits say, so I need the extra ground clearance and some reasonable, stable handling characteristics.
I am sure I will spend the next few days tweaking my layout lines but I am confident it will work out in the end.

Thanks again for all the help, I will post some more pictures when I have something to show.

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Old 07-24-2021, 08:27 PM
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Well time for another update………

Been kind of busy here at Sandcroft Acre for a while trying to get all the spring/summer things done, the garden has been a real frustration for us with late frosts then drought followed by deer eating everything that is growing and now things are perhaps too wet, never mind the ongoing covid thing yak, yak, yak.
To be honest my lovely wife handles most of the garden stuff, I would most likely kill everything, I just try to do what she asks me to do.

Oh ya! This is supposed to be a car forum so I had better get on to that part.

I have not done much more in the way in the way of actual metal fabrication on the chassis.

I have done a bit of research for my next parts buying adventures and think I will go with Shell Valley for my windshield assembly needs, some reading indicates folks seem to be happy with them, the FFR ones are cheaper but seem prone to cracking ( it could be bad installs too)

I considered one from Brasscraft in England, I am sure they are beautiful but buy the time you crate and ship it here it’s twice the price. Reading between the lines I would guess Shell Valley supplies a bunch of windshields to other vendors via their wholesale company International Wholesale.
If anyone has any different ideas about windshields I would like to hear them.

I was able to do my layout drawings in ½ scale ( still need a long table) and then move on to the finer details and full size drawings for the control arms. A bit of a challenge and compromises always need to be made given I am using existing hubs and uprights and wanted to use the original rear lower arm mountings as they are nicely incorporated into the rear tower assembly.


I had more freedom with the front mounts but the uprights have their own unique challenges too. But the rear is the biggest challenge, trying to get an upper arm into the design and the coil over shock working within the confines of the original suspension area.

I believe I have come up with a workable design although my roll centers are a bit lower than I had in mind originally, I have done my best and am confident it will work. I will add the mountings for anti-roll bars front and rear but not add any bars until I drive the car without them first. I would prefer to not have them for ride quality reasons but if I need to I can add them.

I was hoping to be building arms and such this weekend but I am lacking a 1 inch cutter I ordered, but it is coming ( I hope), it’s one of the drawbacks to living next to the middle of nowhere, you can't just pop out and pick up a 1 inch annular cutter, fortunately you can order one.

So here are a few of crappy pictures of my drawings, a bit hard to see on the brown kraft paper but I needed really long paper and that was in stock at the dollar store so.....











Next time something in metal....I hope

P.S. I noticed on posting this that I have made a revision to the lower arm layout since I took this so it won't look exactly like this as upon reflection it seemed over complicated for the loads that will be involved. Compromises, compromises..........
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Old 07-25-2021, 04:34 AM
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Thanks for the picture Monsieur map, that is just a classic garage shot, call it "dust and passion" or something, I did not recognize your handle at first but when I looked again I do recognize that project and have been checking in on your progress from time to time but honestly did not remember that picture. Any new updates on your excellent build? Yours has been one of my inspirations to go the scratch build route. I do see the family resemblance there for sure, I have never seen a Mr. Bruce body in person although before I found this body that was going to be my first choice, I am told he does nice work.
Bruce used my Allied body for his molds, my body was made in 1965 by Parish Plastics in Pittsburgh 1 of 3 known to exist.
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Did you get all of Chucks drawings?
I'm about to drop the hammer on his drawings for the 427. Scratch building the chassis seams like a frustratingly incredible time.
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Old 08-15-2021, 06:42 PM
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Hey MasterAnubis,

Yes I did get all Chucks 289 drawings, if you are planning to build they are incredibly good, I don't think you could find better. I bet AC's drawings were not this good back in the day. He has also has added a nice bunch of notes and suggestions. He does own a real 427 so getting the measurements right would not be a problem. It may seem like a lot of money for them but honestly when you see the work that has gone into them you won't be disappointed.
It is not frustrating at all, just measure out the pieces, cut and weld....OK a bit more involved than that....... but honestly that's how the originals were made, by some Brits, in a big shed with arc welders and torches.....Go for it!
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Old 08-15-2021, 06:54 PM
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Hello all!

I just wanted to keep adding quick updates as I said I would.

I was hoping to be further on but being summer it is also the season when my beautiful wife wants me to get some other projects done( me too), the never ending house renno continues although getting materials is a still bit of a challenge, we were hoping to do some stone veneer on the lower part of the house to compliment the other changes we have made but the delivery date estimate on the veneer went from 4 to 8 weeks to 8 to 12 weeks after we ordered, kind of crappy but everything just seems to be behind these days, myself included……

I did get to laying out my suspension arm brackets out of some .188 flat stock, cut them out and cleaned up ready to use. I them switched my attention to the tubular element of the arms. I am using 1 inch .120 wall DOM tube and want to “ fishmouth” it nicely together.



Once upon a time I did have a hole saw type tube notcher I built in another life, but I did not bring it along for this one, always figuring I would make another when the time came.
Well I have a better tool collection now and came up with a different way hoping this would work for the 1 inch and later when I get into the .750 tube for the inner structure.

I have become aware of these magic things called annular cutters, I also have a mini mill......... so I ordered a 1 inch annular cutter with a ¾ inch Weldon shank. I then found a ¾ mill holder ( cheaper) for my little mill. My old 1941 Logan lathe has the same taper as my mill so I just knocked it into the headstock and trimmed it off until the Weldon shank flats lined up with the locking screw. Then into the mill with the cutter.




I tried my small mill vice but it just could not do it so out came the full size vice on the mini mill, yes it looks a bit crazy but after a couple of tests I figured out where the speed should be and how much I can cut at once, then it went fairly well.
I am sure the thinner wall .750 tube will be much easier to cut but the 1 inch is doable and the resulting joint is perfect.




I am making a jig out of the old base plate from my 105 bender, sure glad I did not send it for recycling yet. I just want something that will hold the bracket centers parallel to each other that I can quickly modify to make the next pair of arms.
And that is the reality of this project as I am only making 4 pairs of arms here, there is no need to get carried away with production tooling, I can hold things and tack them and check the fit one at a time, I just want things to be even in the end.




So that is it, I am getting ready to start welding the rear lower arms together. Don’t mind the bit of surface rust, things have gotten crazy humid in the last month and I am trying to keep it out of the garage.
I will clean up the weld areas ( always) and when I am happy with the end product the arms will be grit blasted and painted with Por15 as will the whole chassis before final assembly.

Hope I can update again soon, be well my friends!
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Coming along nicely. Way to think outside he box and adapt what you have to meet your needs. Keep the updates coming.

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Hey all,
Just a quick update so you don’t start thinking I am dead or something.
I have had a bit of a set back or just too many other things happening in my life to get anything done on the chassis for a few weeks but hopefully that will change soon. It is amazing to me how other people’s decisions and issues can just derail anything you were planning on doing.

The last time I actually got to work on the chassis was the middle or so of August, right before my in-laws came for a visit, right as my sister and her husband decided they needed to sell their house quickly, I finally got the trim to finish the front of the house (covid delays) and then my beautiful bride wanted to finish building the new chicken coop.
This one is much more elaborate (read heavy) than the last one and, oh ya, could it also be mobile…..mmmmmm, sure, I guess. It is amazing how all your time disappears….. Such is life….

As for the chassis, I did get all the rear arms tacked up for a trail fit, and I got the bracket pieces cut for the frame rails. It is very nice to see them in place and next step will be to attach the frame mounts and the lower arms, then mock up the upper arm mount enough to move the suspension through its travel range and “real world” check the camber change.
It’s been a long time since I fabbed something like this so part of my brain still doesn’t completely trust what my calculations and scale layout tells me.

So hopefully I can be back to chassis work in the next week, I would really like to see this frame sitting on the floor, on its wheels, at some point soon, if for no other reason than some inspiration to keep me focused.

So till then here are a couple of pictures of the rear arms








And the traveling gear for a chicken coop, I really do like to over complicate things, don't I........

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[quote=old willy;1497257]Hey all,
Just a quick update so you don’t start thinking I am dead or something.

Damn, it might be too late for me to cancel the flowers I just ordered for your service.

Looking pretty nice Willy. Life always gets in the way, it's just the way that it is. Your job is to allow it to only allow it to make small diversions that allow you to keep getting back on the path.

I hope that your shop is heated, that cold Canadian chill will be upon you soon.

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Just a quick update so you don’t start thinking I am dead or something.

Damn, it might be too late for me to cancel the flowers I just ordered for your service.

Looking pretty nice Willy. Life always gets in the way, it's just the way that it is. Your job is to allow it to only allow it to make small diversions that allow you to keep getting back on the path.

I hope that your shop is heated, that cold Canadian chill will be upon you soon.

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Ha, ha, Ha, Thanks Jim,

I thought the flowers were a nice touch

Still trying to get back to it , but yes the garage is heated, when we built it about 10 years ago that was one of my big needs, living up here in the north and all.
I went with the heated slab option, the best hangers I worked in back in the day had heated floors, way nicer on the feet and legs at the end of the day.
It is also fairly efficient, I don't keep it tee shirt weather in there in the winter but if you come in from outside you would think "it's pretty warm in here" but if you take off your coat and stand still for awhile you would find it,s not really "room temperature" but if you are moving and working it's great. And other than sand blasting and painting stuff I can get a lot done in the winter. I hope that holds true for this year.
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Hey all,

Just a quick question if anybody knows.
The 289 cars have a cast lower cooling elbow that comes off the rad and passes through the suspension tower on it's way to the water pump. It also appears there is a temp sensor or switch installed in a brass cover on top held on by 3 bolts.

The big question is where did they source this from? Is it from some other British or American car, or is it unique to the slabside cars?

Kind of like those y shaped exhaust manifolds. Just want to know what I should be keeping my eyes open for.

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Here you go. My help for the day! https://www.csxparts.com/p-595-radia...sting-289.aspx
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