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Old 09-30-2022, 10:30 PM
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Here is the article

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...029-story.html
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appeasing that CS won the lawsuit finally against Angliss, the biggest imposter of all in the Cobra world…

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Not really, remember that Angliss was involved in many restorations eary on as the place to go. "Cobra Parts" later purchased Hurlock interest in the MFG of the cars and Ford invested $ heavily. Remember why old CS left the auto world, DOT and EPA oversight. The MKIV had taken the MKIII into the 80's just getting by DOT and EPA lower limits. AC was at the time legitimate small MFG facility and was also 51% owned by Ford Motor Company. Hard to say what is really true but its known Shelby himself was as Kopec stated a little truth, snake oil and legend.
Angliss cars were UK made, alloy, similar in many ways in structure and legitimate as a car just not a Shelby Cobra however 80's DOT and EPA compliant.

Ford and AC (Brian A) made the MKIV which is considerably different and considerably the same as the MKIII Cobra and until 1986 they were labeled that way on the car MKIV not Cobra. Once Ford was involved, think I remember right they owned the trademark, and they did not allow "Cobra" on the title unless outside the US.
They were, officially the MKIV, sold through Ford dealerships so as SAAC say's they are an interation of the MKIII but not a Cobra and not a continuation at all.
Ford never applied engineering support, eng$, government applications or sold replicas through dealerships with warranty... its a MKIV!

The article is from 1993, so its old news. Based upon the CSX1000 (UK made) cars it would not have surprised me to know Angliss and Shelby did speak however when Ford bailed $ on AC it was the end of the road. Angliss then only really started his full on fued, early 1990's, with CS building true MKIII style cars. Angliss even made CSX4000 cars.. LOL

I always say that all 60's Shelby's Cobras are AC's however not all AC's were Shelby's or even Cobra's. Think that is something we can all agree on...
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Carroll Shelby quotes from Kit Car Illustrated – October 1986

„I’ve seen the cars before and they’re damn nice work but why doesn’t Brian Angliss build something he thought up instead of copying somebody else?“
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Well Brian A is in seclusion at this point so my feeling would be he would say:
As the go to for restoration parts for these Shelby cars in 70'/80's, then Ford wanting a DOT approved MKIII type car to add to there other small manufactured batch cars like the BOSS, Pantera, Intermecanica etc... It was more of a fit than a total re-design.

Dunno but I agree they had there differences but so did CS and KMS, all Replica MFG, Gelsco, HiTech tec...
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I finally got the old brain working, (lots of rusty gear noise and smoke out the ears,) and remember the story of the Vin plate. Carroll did have some Vin plates made up in 64, to impress the FIA guys, it didn't work, they wanted actual cars and told both Enzo and Carroll what they could do with their imaginary cars! So what happened to the plates, they were put on to big block cars as they arrived from AC, it's that simple! How many plates were made, no one seems to know? For sure, the first couple of race cars and probably all the S/C cars had them, I doubt there were the required 100, but who knows, all that maters to this thread is, all of the plates were long gone by the time the above cars were built, so those Vin numbers were as phony as the frames! As for the photo below, that was in Automobile Quarterly, 1976, Now And Forever The Cobra Story. Not a very good article, but great photos! The photo below shows the difference between the 60s built Cobra's and the cars above. That is a genuine Daytona, notice the California license plate on the tail, that's because all the Daytona's had CSX 2000, range Vin numbers! Cheers, Dennis
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