Dragonsnakes now?? - Page 4

Raaron · #1 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jsdonofrio

I have Cobra csx 3196. How can I find out if my car came with a side oiler engine, or a center oiler?

I owned 3196 for several years, and have pictures that you may want to document its restoration. Also, if you still own 3196 and want to sell it, I'd like to talk to you

cobrajeff · #2 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 07:40 AM

Here's what CSX 2075 looked like at C&C:

The wrinkles in the fenders and cracks in the paint do not show up in the picture. The car is ready for another restoration.
There was no ID tag on the footbox. I tried to get a pic of the VIN off the steering box mount, but it is not discernable in the pictures.

regards,

Jeff

TumaloSisTruck · #3 (**permalink**) 03-02-2022, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Raaron

I owned 3196 for several years, and have pictures that you may want to document its restoration. Also, if you still own 3196 and want to sell it, I'd like to talk to you

I recently purchased a 1966 Cobra 427 motor that appears to be from CSX3196. Let me know if anyone wants to discuss it. I'll probably end up selling it, but would prefer to align it to the original car.

1985 CCX · #4 (**permalink**) 03-04-2022, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TumaloSisTruck

I recently purchased a 1966 Cobra 427 motor that appears to be from CSX3196. Let me know if anyone wants to discuss it. I'll probably end up selling it, but would prefer to align it to the original car.

Looks like you are trying to link the motor to this car?

there is another tread on this.
Sound like odds are your block is a boat block.

Need to post Block ID#

twobjshelbys · #5 (**permalink**) 03-04-2022, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TumaloSisTruck

I recently purchased a 1966 Cobra 427 motor that appears to be from CSX3196. Let me know if anyone wants to discuss it. I'll probably end up selling it, but would prefer to align it to the original car.

Your topic about the engine pretty much proves that it was not as you claim. The other topic has the details but it is most likely a boat engine.

PS. The original car has its original engine.

mercman · #6 (**permalink**) 01-10-2007, 03:49 PM

i have read with great interest all of the replys to the origional question and i am amazed at DragonSnake
knowledge that exist in the Club. There is one thing that needs to be addressed regarding the Harr 427 car. This
car was the brain child of Don McCain who was and still is
with Carroll Shelby. Les Ritchey built the engine in this car and it was built to NHRA specs. When the "rod" problem
came up with Harr, it was explained that NHRA did not
allow for a rod that was not stock. Don came down to my parts department and got a stock 427 rod and a 427 LeMans rod and took off for Worcester to get this mess straight. He did. Hence the fessing up of missed gears.
There is more history regarding Don and this car but that is for a later date. Thanks for keeping the Drag cars alive.

PDHse · #7 (**permalink**) 01-18-2007, 02:18 AM

Mercman, please share some more of your memories please. Paul

Mark IV · #8 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 10:54 AM

The era ends, Harr Motor is closing.

DougD · #9 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 01:05 PM

jsdonofrio
"I have Cobra csx 3196. How can I find out if my car came with a side oiler engine, or a center oiler?"

This issue has been discussed previously on this forum. There is no definitive source for this info, but the extensive amount of research that went into SAAC's Registry gives some clues. 427 Cobras came with either 427 center oilers, 428 PIs, or 427 side oilers, roughly 100-150 of each of the three types. Ford provided the engines to Shelby, and 427s were never plentiful. Shelby used what Ford sent them. In the fall of '64, into early '65, there were no side oilers available as they were not produced in quantity yet. That's why the early group of cars had center oilers. The 428s were installed for two reasons - one, they were cheaper, and two, they were available. Late in production, when Shelby decided to install 427s again, the side oiler 427s were used because that was what Ford was building at the time.

This thread gives more info from an expert:

how many 427 cars had 427 ci engines

From this info, it looks like your car likely had a center oiler (or maybe a 428?) from day 1. Nedsel is the one who would know or could make the best informed guess.

Historybuff · #10 (**permalink**) 01-10-2009, 05:04 PM

Coincidence! I was at the Cars & Coffee meet in Irvine this Saturday and I saw a ratty Cobra
black , lots of dings, that somebody said was a Dragonsnake once. It was a small block.
It was owned by a Costa Mesa guy whose name is the same as a car dealer but I don't know if he is the car dealer since he seems to have aged from the guy I knew with the same name back in the day.
I took one picture , front 3/4, so let me know if you want to trade it for
a pic of a genuine AC Cobra from the UK. I don't know if it came out yet so contact me in a couple weeks (yes, I still shoot film and want to finish the roll...) to see if the picture came out. Be prepared to see a ratty car.

B.M.B.C · #11 (**permalink**) 01-10-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Historybuff

Coincidence! I was at the Cars & Coffee meet in Irvine this Saturday and I saw a ratty Cobra
black , lots of dings, that somebody said was a Dragonsnake once. Be prepared to see a ratty car.

Thats how they all should be. Not trailer shine and show queens like most but not all of them!!

Rick Parker · #12 (**permalink**) 01-10-2009, 05:58 PM

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It was owned by a Costa Mesa guy whose name is the same as a car dealer but I don't know if he is the car dealer since he seems to have aged from the guy I knew with the same name back in the day.

Wallace in case you haven't looked in the mirror lately, we all have aged some since "Back In the day". We've all got a few bumps and dings.

hurricaneharold · #13 (**permalink**) 01-11-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Historybuff

Coincidence! I was at the Cars & Coffee meet in Irvine this Saturday and I saw a ratty Cobra
black , lots of dings, that somebody said was a Dragonsnake once. It was a small block.
It was owned by a Costa Mesa guy whose name is the same as a car dealer but I don't know if he is the car dealer since he seems to have aged from the guy I knew with the same name back in the day.
I took one picture , front 3/4, so let me know if you want to trade it for
a pic of a genuine AC Cobra from the UK. I don't know if it came out yet so contact me in a couple weeks (yes, I still shoot film and want to finish the roll...) to see if the picture came out. Be prepared to see a ratty car.

I would be willing to trade the photo,if it comes out ok

hurricaneharold · #14 (**permalink**) 01-11-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Historybuff

Coincidence! I was at the Cars & Coffee meet in Irvine this Saturday and I saw a ratty Cobra
black , lots of dings, that somebody said was a Dragonsnake once. It was a small block.
It was owned by a Costa Mesa guy whose name is the same as a car dealer but I don't know if he is the car dealer since he seems to have aged from the guy I knew with the same name back in the day.
I took one picture , front 3/4, so let me know if you want to trade it for
a pic of a genuine AC Cobra from the UK. I don't know if it came out yet so contact me in a couple weeks (yes, I still shoot film and want to finish the roll...) to see if the picture came out. Be prepared to see a ratty car.

I would be willing to trade the photo,if it comes out ok

lovehamr · #15 (**permalink**) 06-13-2010, 06:19 AM

I love the story, even though a POS chebbie won!!

gsharapa · #16 (**permalink**) 06-13-2010, 07:52 AM

The picture of CSX 3198 with Shelby was taken at Unique's open house many years ago before they went bankrupt. Unique was right down the street from Sam Pack and he took CSX 3198 and several other cars over for the show. Today Sam Pack's 427 (CSX 3198) and 289 (CSX 2109) Dragon Snakes reside in his museum with the 289 sitting behind the 427. CSX 3279 (Green Cobra) is sitting behind the 289 Dragon Snake.

Check out Sam Pack's museum (Cobra section) at the following link as there are a bunch of pics of the cars and information.

http://www.packautomotivemuseum.com/cobra.html

THE UNDEFEATED · #17 (**permalink**) 06-14-2010, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lovehamr

I love the story, even though a POS chebbie won!!

My mistake when I had the chance was to buy CSX2109 the 289 Cobra that was owned by Larry McALlister at the time. It was for sale for $3,000.00 with the trailer , spare motor and trans , Weber's , duel quads , single quad , and other assorted rear end parts. I could not get the Bank financing on that car because the Banks did not loan money for race cars.
After my time working with the GT-350 Snoopy I was sure that the 289 configured in that car would not be as strong as the 327 Chevy. Both the Gt-350 and the Cobra especially were much lighter cars but back then it was both a blessing and a hindrance. Making power from a small block Chevy was easer then from the 289. Today the new Mustang 6 banger is making 305 HP by comparison to the GT-350's 289 all decked out from Shelby was only making 306HP. In the right hand a Brigs & Stratton can be made to go like hell. What the Corvette had in extra HP it lost in the weight break against the 2,000 + Cobra. Jenkins was the master at getting 2HP per CI out of the Chevy and that was not possible at that time with the design of the 289. The later Ford 350 proved much better design. I made a lot of money street racing against the "Feared Street Hemi". Boy could they suck a lot of air into those 2 X 4bls and make a lot of noise , but they had a front row seat to my back bumper. Even the 289 Hi-Pro Standard Mustangs could beat them. But again in the hand of Jerry Stall and Sox and Martin they could fly. And Jenkins was right with them with his 350 / 327 Nova. The thing about the 350 Hp motor was the Hydro Lifters RED LINED AT 6,000 RPM. By changing the design of the lifter innards you could go up to 7,500 .

lovehamr · #18 (**permalink**) 06-14-2010, 06:58 AM

Undefeated, I really did like the story bud. I'm just busting your knards on the chebbie thing!

Steve

THE UNDEFEATED · #19 (**permalink**) 06-14-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lovehamr

Undefeated, I really did like the story bud. I'm just busting your knards on the chebbie thing!

Steve

I don't have any problem with anyone who has "Manufactures Preference or Loyalty" . Most everyone has a preference usually based on how any particular Brand has treated them. The only dislike I have with any American Brand car is with Chrysler Corp. . Too "Tinny Sounding with an AIR STARTER FOR A STARTER MOTOR AND BAD SHIFTING PATERN FOR A FOUR SPEED". I even like the A.M.C. brand before Chrysler took it over. "I THINK I JUST SAID I LIKED A RAMBLER ? AT LEAST THE 62 RAMBLER HAD "RECLINING SEATS" NICE FOR THE DRIVE-IN .

crASH · #20 (**permalink**) 04-20-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by THE UNDEFEATED

"I THINK I JUST SAID I LIKED A RAMBLER ? AT LEAST THE 62 RAMBLER HAD "RECLINING SEATS" NICE FOR THE DRIVE-IN .

The '63s did too, but they never "worked" for me in high school. I guess they were a dead giveaway to the chicks who weren't already interested in "participating".

EDIT- I just read the rest of this thread. My apologies for an unruly comment in an otherwise mature and civil discussion on Cobra history and lore.