Alloycars Aluminum Bodied FORUM Project

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by kevins2

Hi Bill,

The answer is likely yes, if this is the same Tony he's talking about.

https://www.factoryfive.com/whats-ne...ome-additions/

By the way, this thread is mistakenly in the "small block talk" forum...

He is a fantanstic guy, very helpful and open for new ideas.

[Alloycars]

Ok, you can be right for business plan and etc. etc. ....and thank you guys for your advises...but can we go the project first. I think I am able to deal with financial issues. How I could make an business plan for my Spyders for example.
Its about stomach, new ideas a lot of work and the will to finish what you started. They are selling pretty good.
Again, thank you but lets be concentrated to get basic information so I can go over to check whats possible or not.

[Paul F]

alloycars "Do your home work and figure it out. What has this to do with this project???"

Sigh. Just when I think we are going to have a civil thread, you go and do that. What is with you and answering questions? It was simple question with nothing in the way of an insult or other implied derogatory meaning and you have to go and answer a question with a belligerent answer. It's hopeless.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by Paul F

Sigh. Just when I think we are going to have a civil thread, you go and do that. What is with you and answering questions? It was simple question with nothing in the way of an insult or other implied derogatory meaning and you have to go and answer a question with a belligerent answer. It's hopeless. You must have a massive chip on you shoulders.

Sorry, this was not intent to be mistaken for a negative answer.
I really appreciate the advices....Man..you guys are like wolfes...calm down please....can you please read something in a positive way...is this possible or do I ask too much???

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Sorry, this was not intent to be mistaken for a negative answer.
I really appreciate the advices....Man..you guys are like wolfes...calm down please....can you please read something in a positive way...is this possible or do I ask too much???

So I'll ask again, who is this Tony (can't be that Tony mentioned above at FFR as he has nothing to do with the sales side of life for your association with FFR) you spoke about? And yes, it does matter in the sense that we are all being open and honest here at the moment, or do you expect that to only go in one direction, thus putting this thread in jeopardy of spiraling southwards and coming to a direct halt of interesting ideas for your company?


Bill S.

[Alloycars]

MRMUSTANG.....you again...starting again.
Who the heck was telling that?: "who is this Tony (can't be that Tony mentioned above at FFR as he has nothing to do with the sales side of life for your association with FFR)"

Tony is a super nice guy, who works for FFR and is my direct contact. Other member answered this question also to you...so whats your problem???

Please go away with your problem as I promised not getting angry here. As I mentioned ...you are not welcome in this project

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

MRMUSTANG.....you again...starting again.
Who the heck was telling that?: "who is this Tony (can't be that Tony mentioned above at FFR as he has nothing to do with the sales side of life for your association with FFR)"

Tony is a super nice guy, who works for FFR and is my direct contact. Other member answered this question also to you...so whats your problem???

Please go away with your problem as I promised not getting angry here. As I mentioned ...you are not welcome in this project

All I did was ask a simple question, you are the one who is acting poorly. Tony at FFR is not in the division of being in sales, so does not have the authorization to make any deals with you in that regard. This is why I wanted clarification as to who Tony is. If you are unwilling to be civil and answer the simple questions, then why are you here?

So, let's try this again, who is Tony? (we already know which Tony it is not)

It's a simple question, all it required in the first place was a simple, and civil answer.

Also, if you want to continue and seek advice from the brain trust here, then you really should take the advice I offered earlier on today. Take a step back, a deep breath, and think before you respond.


Bill S.

[Alloycars]

Ok, we lost the track again. So let go back to what matters.
I went back to my shop and there is indeed a very simple solution to attach the sub frame to hold the aluminum body without a welding process involved.
As this was my main concern we can go forward.

So this is what we got and what we have so far. There are still things open:

- Kit will have an aluminum body. ok
- Basis will be an FFR MKIV. ok
- Subframe bolt on attachment. ok
- Hood inner frame . ???
- Door inner frame. ???
- Trunk inner frame ???
- Using MKIV shape or super original shape ???
- No polished version available as we are going for fast production ..ok Maybe showcar.
- other known MKIV issues.

Just lets go to those items for now.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

[b]Ok, we lost the track again. So let go back to what matters.
I went back to my shop and there is indeed a very simple solution to attach the sub frame to hold the aluminum body without a welding process involved.
As this was my main concern we can go forward.

So this is what we got and what we have so far. There are still things open:

- Kit will have an aluminum body. ok
- Basis will be an FFR MKIV. ok
- Subframe bolt on attachment. ok
- Hood inner frame . ???
- Door inner frame. ???
- Trunk inner frame ???
- Using MKIV shape or super original shape ???
- No polished version available as we are going for fast production ..ok Maybe showcar.
- other known MKIV issues.

Just lets go to those items for now.

Here is a profile sketch of the FFR (in red) over a "correct" shelby cobra in black (from the FFR forum). Gives general differences but might be a good starting point for discussion.

[Alloycars]

Yes, indeed. This is extreme helpfull. So this means that FFR made modifications to an body which was suposently an original one?
Are you sure that the red one is not the MKIII body as they lowered this rear section a lot at the MKIV? On the MKIII you can see the gas tank very obviously.

[Alloycars]

do you know something between the wheelbase of those two cars? Are they identical?

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

do you know something between the wheelbase of those two cars? Are they identical?

Don't know the wheelbase, I would think the same @ 90" but that would be a guess.
.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Yes, indeed. This is extreme helpfull. So this means that FFR made modifications to an body which was suposently an original one?
Are you sure that the red one is not the MKIII body as they lowered this rear section a lot at the MKIV? On the MKIII you can see the gas tank very obviously.

The red may be a MKIII, unfortunately not a lot of description given. Here is the link to that FFR thread, the "artist" (Greg) owns a MKIII so I'm inclined to believe it is.
Need Cobra Silhouette - FFCars.com : Factory Five Racing Discussion Forum
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[Alloycars]

By the way, sorry that I am writing in bold letters. Just got the information that this can be understood as shouting someone....wasnt my intention.

[AL427SBF]

... and an FFR against several -

[Three Peaks]

Okay, so now we may be making some headway. Your english is difficult to understand at times so I'll ask for clarification?
You will be offering -
1- Kits to retrofit your aluminum body to MarkIII and Mark IV Factory Five kits
2- Rollers with a Factory Five chassis with your aluminum body attached
3- Full turn key Mark IV turn key cars with your body attached and finished.

A few questions to flesh out this discussion-
Will paint in the customers' choice of color be offered?
Will previous customers of FF5 be able to bring their chassis to your shop to retrofit a body to their chassis?

I will defer other questions as it is early in this endeavor and I'm not sure it would be appropriate or timely to ask beyond these items until you have had a chance to explore the necessary work to adapt your body to the FF5 chassis.

Count me as slightly skeptical but hopefully you will prove me wrong. And don't write off Bill (MrMustang) just yet. If you can answer the questions of a skeptic like Bill and learn how to deal with others with tough questions, you may actually have a chance to make a go of this business plan. Just because you can do a thing well doesn't mean you can sell your work. A good sales person would do you a world of good- one who speaks and understands english well as it seems this is where you wish to expand your business.

Bob

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by Three Peaks;13****8

Okay, so now we may be making some headway. Your english is difficult to understand at times so I'll ask for clarification?
You will be offering -
1- Kits to retrofit your aluminum body to MarkIII and Mark IV Factory Five kits
2- Rollers with a Factory Five chassis with your aluminum body attached
3- Full turn key Mark IV turn key cars with your body attached and finished.

A few questions to flesh out this discussion-
Will paint in the customers' choice of color be offered?
Will previous customers of FF5 be able to bring their chassis to your shop to retrofit a body to their chassis?
Bob

Hi Bob.

Yes you got it. For previous owners likek the MKIII we have already the body/chassis setup so this will not be the problem. I may have to think about the idea to install the new body style on those MKIII chassis as well.
Should not be a bad idea.
For mrmustang...Bob...I am a little bit short fused and I dont take false advises from a guy like this. I am too old for that. A am a original old school German coachbuilder where a word or handshake worth more as a contract...unfortunately not here in the USA.
Hope someone understand.

[Alloycars]

A question here:

Is there a way to kick this mrmustang thing out here? Because he is starting again pi...ng me off and I promised to be not ofensive. A letter from my company attorney was already send to him and he will get it soon for false accusation proofed by himself. False nosy girl guys like him were reasons to start wars as history proofs. I made mistakes and I assume them but this guys is trying for not loosing his face after all the crap he told.
Just tell me if I am wrong.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars;13****9

A question here:

Is there a way to kick this mrmustang thing out here? Because he is starting again pi...ng me off and I promised to be not ofensive. A letter from my company attorney was already send to him and he will get it soon for false accusation proofed by himself. False nosy girl guys like him were reasons to start wars as history proofs. I made mistakes and I assume them but this guys is trying for not loosing his face after all the crap he told.
Just tell me if I am wrong.

Can't see how asking a few simple questions could piss off such an intelligent person such as yourself?

Of course if you misspoke and have something to hide, then yes, I could see why not answering the question(s) being asked might piss you off.

I'll let the others chime in as to whether you are wrong or not, for in my eyes, with then lack of any real substance in your posts, and your one sided flow of information, you are indeed wrong.

The information highway called the internet is a two way street, you want ideas and information to continue to flow in your direction, you have to eventually offer some information in response.

8+ posts, all because you did not want to answer "Who is Tony", don't you think that was ridiculous on your part?

Bill S.

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by Alloycars;13****9

A question here:Is there a way to kick this mrmustang thing out here?

You are just lucky you did not get the boot yet - -better you don’t ask for actions of moderators.

Originally Posted by Alloycars;13****9

A letter from my company attorney was already send to him and he will get it soon for false accusation proofed by himself

Hey, this is not fair --- I want a letter too!!!!

Originally Posted by Alloycars;13****9

Just tell me if I am wrong.

The short answer is: ->Yes.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

With FFR I have an agreement with Tony that we are going individually and we agreed that future customers can in fact buy kits from FFR without a …… Lets see.

Yeah, I’m very curious what Dave’s answer is on that matter.