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02-03-2009, 04:57 PM
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I'll put one of my "good" FE engine up against a comparable displacement small block any day. Actually I have - at the Engine Masters. And my FE stuff comes out looking pretty darn competitive against any design out there. Anything that can be done to a small block for enhanced performance or efficiency can be equally applied to an FE. The FE has a BETTER valve angle than a small block by a bunch. The BT high riser heads address the low floor position nicely. I can get at least equal compression with a flat piston since my chambers are very small by big block measurements - I've been as small as 66cc.
At a rules mandated 434 inches in 2006 we were right in the upper/middle of the pack - the canted valve CHI combo was obviously in the sweet spot - something like 7 of the top ten. But if I recall correctly, there were NONE of the traditional wedge headed small block Ford engines ahead of me. So much for superiority.
In both 2007 and 2008 we were alowed to build to any OE displacement (+ a few cubes for boring), and scores were factored by cubic inches. Again we fared pretty well with the old FE both years. Take out the incredibly talented, well financed & researched Kaase and Bischoff entries and we are doing just fine for bunch of Detroit street rats. We have always been in the top few on horsepower - old racers tend to go big!
If you're gonna use the EMC as a reference - and it ain't a bad one with impartial scoring, many OE compatable components, and pump gas as requirements - then you either build a Cleveland headed small block - or something else. The popular wedge headed small block ain't in the hunt. That ought to tick a few guys off  (I actually like small blocks, but since he's bashing my specialty I'll take a chunk out).
The difference between a 427 Windsor and a 427 FE is that the small block car keeps his hood shut at shows - badge envy!
Obviously I have a bias.
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Engine Masters Challenge Entries
91 octane - single 4bbl - mufflers
2008 - 429 cid FE HR - 675HP
2007 - 429 cid FE MR - 659HP
2006 - 434 cid FE MR - 678HP
2005 - 505 cid FE MR - 752HP
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02-03-2009, 05:17 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Diego,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF1715, Roush Built 434 ci Stroker, Dart Block, Ported AFR 205 Heads... 561 hp / 547 tq, Former Roush Show Car, Completed and Prepped By Olthoff Racing.
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Originally Posted by Barry_R
The difference between a 427 Windsor and a 427 FE is that the small block car keeps his hood shut at shows - badge envy! |
I am to busy driving my car to worry about car shows.  |
02-03-2009, 05:50 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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I heard a funny line...
... an electrical engineer friend of mine said to me the other day " You know Pat, a small block is like a civil engineer." Of course, I had no idea what he meant and asked him to explain. His explanation was that "real engineers," be they electrical, chemical, mechanical, or nuclear, view civil engineers as being a joke -- wannabe engineers, if you will. After he explained it to me, it made perfect sense in comparing smalll blocks to FEs. What an apt expression.... |
02-04-2009, 09:53 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: I'm Cobra-less!
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Originally Posted by patrickt
... an electrical engineer friend of mine said to me the other day " You know Pat, a small block is like a civil engineer." Of course, I had no idea what he meant and asked him to explain. His explanation was that "real engineers," be they electrical, chemical, mechanical, or nuclear, view civil engineers as being a joke -- wannabe engineers, if you will. After he explained it to me, it made perfect sense in comparing smalll blocks to FEs. What an apt expression.... |
I'm sure glad I'm a Mechanical Engineer....I wouldn't want to be a joke in Patrick's eyes.  |
02-04-2009, 10:01 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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I'm sure glad I'm a Mechanical Engineer....I wouldn't want to be a joke in Patrick's eyes. |
Brent, I have absolutely no doubt that you were howling with laughter when reading that post (and agreeing with it, as well).  |
02-04-2009, 05:57 AM
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Location: Knob Hill, Monterey,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 931 mangled in parkinglot incident - traded for new house roof <sob>
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I'm back guys, they said I had a "brakedown".  What do those damn doctors know anyway. It all started when I had a dream that I got another F.inally E.xtinct big block engine. This time I put fuel injection on it and could not git it to run right. Those big rods went round and round until there was a F.atal E.xtraction so I dropped the b!tch in the lake for a bouy. What a turd! Thanks for dragging me in this pile of crap. 
McVette
dont get me started
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry_R
I'll put one of my "good" FE engine up against a comparable displacement small block any day. Actually I have - at the Engine Masters. And my FE stuff comes out looking pretty darn competitive against any design out there. Anything that can be done to a small block for enhanced performance or efficiency can be equally applied to an FE. The FE has a BETTER valve angle than a small block by a bunch. The BT high riser heads address the low floor position nicely. I can get at least equal compression with a flat piston since my chambers are very small by big block measurements - I've been as small as 66cc.
At a rules mandated 434 inches in 2006 we were right in the upper/middle of the pack - the canted valve CHI combo was obviously in the sweet spot - something like 7 of the top ten. But if I recall correctly, there were NONE of the traditional wedge headed small block Ford engines ahead of me. So much for superiority.
In both 2007 and 2008 we were alowed to build to any OE displacement (+ a few cubes for boring), and scores were factored by cubic inches. Again we fared pretty well with the old FE both years. Take out the incredibly talented, well financed & researched Kaase and Bischoff entries and we are doing just fine for bunch of Detroit street rats. We have always been in the top few on horsepower - old racers tend to go big!
If you're gonna use the EMC as a reference - and it ain't a bad one with impartial scoring, many OE compatable components, and pump gas as requirements - then you either build a Cleveland headed small block - or something else. The popular wedge headed small block ain't in the hunt. That ought to tick a few guys off (I actually like small blocks, but since he's bashing my specialty I'll take a chunk out).
The difference between a 427 Windsor and a 427 FE is that the small block car keeps his hood shut at shows - badge envy!
Obviously I have a bias. |
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02-04-2009, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by McD00
I'm back guys, they said I had a "brakedown". What do those damn doctors know anyway. It all started when I had a dream that I got another F.inally E.xtinct big block engine. This time I put fuel injection on it and could not git it to run right. Those big rods went round and round until there was a F.atal E.xtraction so I dropped the b!tch in the lake for a bouy. What a turd! Thanks for dragging me in this pile of crap.
McVette
dont get me started |
My 2006 combo has 2" rods. They spin just fine, and are smaller than a SBF production rod bearing. Remember - anything can be done to any engine...
If this McPoo guy had a clue he'd trade it for a roll of nickels so he could buy himself a date for Friday night.....
Mark,
You are EVERYWHERE!
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Survival Motorsports
"I can do that....."
Engine Masters Challenge Entries
91 octane - single 4bbl - mufflers
2008 - 429 cid FE HR - 675HP
2007 - 429 cid FE MR - 659HP
2006 - 434 cid FE MR - 678HP
2005 - 505 cid FE MR - 752HP
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02-04-2009, 09:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry_R
My 2006 combo has 2" rods. They spin just fine, and are smaller than a SBF production rod bearing. Remember - anything can be done to any engine...
If this McPoo guy had a clue he'd trade it for a roll of nickels so he could buy himself a date for Friday night.....
Mark,
You are EVERYWHERE! |
Barry,
You have to learn to ignore McShortBusRider.
And you're right....Mr O'Neal is on every forum that I can think of....LOL
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02-04-2009, 01:27 PM
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2" rods? Chevy size....that will hold together cuz we no chevies are better
Lets face it the only thing FE on these knew engines is the name...
Oh I never had to pay for some but I herd you could build a F.inally E.xtinct BB for what some of those wimmen cost
McVette
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry_R
My 2006 combo has 2" rods. They spin just fine, and are smaller than a SBF production rod bearing. Remember - anything can be done to any engine...
If this McPoo guy had a clue he'd trade it for a roll of nickels so he could buy himself a date for Friday night.....
Mark,
You are EVERYWHERE! |
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02-04-2009, 07:02 AM
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Location: Wayne,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary 482 all aluminum Tunnelport Self built and owned since 1980 frame#0000017 and owner of frame CCX 33961 looking for an FIA body to go with it
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry_R
I'll put one of my "good" FE engine up against a comparable displacement small block any day. Actually I have - at the Engine Masters. And my FE stuff comes out looking pretty darn competitive against any design out there. Anything that can be done to a small block for enhanced performance or efficiency can be equally applied to an FE. The FE has a BETTER valve angle than a small block by a bunch. The BT high riser heads address the low floor position nicely. I can get at least equal compression with a flat piston since my chambers are very small by big block measurements - I've been as small as 66cc.
At a rules mandated 434 inches in 2006 we were right in the upper/middle of the pack - the canted valve CHI combo was obviously in the sweet spot - something like 7 of the top ten. But if I recall correctly, there were NONE of the traditional wedge headed small block Ford engines ahead of me. So much for superiority.
In both 2007 and 2008 we were alowed to build to any OE displacement (+ a few cubes for boring), and scores were factored by cubic inches. Again we fared pretty well with the old FE both years. Take out the incredibly talented, well financed & researched Kaase and Bischoff entries and we are doing just fine for bunch of Detroit street rats. We have always been in the top few on horsepower - old racers tend to go big!
If you're gonna use the EMC as a reference - and it ain't a bad one with impartial scoring, many OE compatable components, and pump gas as requirements - then you either build a Cleveland headed small block - or something else. The popular wedge headed small block ain't in the hunt. That ought to tick a few guys off (I actually like small blocks, but since he's bashing my specialty I'll take a chunk out).
The difference between a 427 Windsor and a 427 FE is that the small block car keeps his hood shut at shows - badge envy!
Obviously I have a bias. |
Now this is what I'm talking about.
Thank You Barry
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02-04-2009, 07:29 AM
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Someone keep the popcorn and several bottles of Yuengling, and ............coming. This thread hasn't found it's half-life!
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02-04-2009, 09:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry_R
I'll put one of my "good" FE engine up against a comparable displacement small block any day. Actually I have - at the Engine Masters. And my FE stuff comes out looking pretty darn competitive against any design out there. Anything that can be done to a small block for enhanced performance or efficiency can be equally applied to an FE. The FE has a BETTER valve angle than a small block by a bunch. The BT high riser heads address the low floor position nicely. I can get at least equal compression with a flat piston since my chambers are very small by big block measurements - I've been as small as 66cc.
At a rules mandated 434 inches in 2006 we were right in the upper/middle of the pack - the canted valve CHI combo was obviously in the sweet spot - something like 7 of the top ten. But if I recall correctly, there were NONE of the traditional wedge headed small block Ford engines ahead of me. So much for superiority.
In both 2007 and 2008 we were alowed to build to any OE displacement (+ a few cubes for boring), and scores were factored by cubic inches. Again we fared pretty well with the old FE both years. Take out the incredibly talented, well financed & researched Kaase and Bischoff entries and we are doing just fine for bunch of Detroit street rats. We have always been in the top few on horsepower - old racers tend to go big!
If you're gonna use the EMC as a reference - and it ain't a bad one with impartial scoring, many OE compatable components, and pump gas as requirements - then you either build a Cleveland headed small block - or something else. The popular wedge headed small block ain't in the hunt. That ought to tick a few guys off (I actually like small blocks, but since he's bashing my specialty I'll take a chunk out).
The difference between a 427 Windsor and a 427 FE is that the small block car keeps his hood shut at shows - badge envy!
Obviously I have a bias. |
Barry....you crank me up......
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