Superformance and GM unveil their 1963 Corvette Grand Sport

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

For $90 to 100K, a '64-'66 coupe with coilover, heim-jointed, bronze bushed suspension and rigid chassis, powered by an aluminum 540 BBC making 700HP can be built. Right here. Which would bury this SPF in all performance categories and look much less obnoxious. Even have a 'trunk' for Nancys who require such equipment.

Yes, but it's not a licensed GS from GM.

Man, Chas, take it easy on the car. It's a new entry in the replica market and let's see if it finds a niche. As I mentioned before, I would rather start with a brand new canvas rather than some old POS mid-year that needs everything to be new or rebuilt.

BTW, '62 was the last year for trunks in Vettes. The mid-years ('63-'67) did not have a trunk.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Man, Chas, take it easy on the car. It's a new entry in the replica market and let's see if it finds a niche. As I mentioned before, I would rather start with a brand new canvas rather than some old POS mid-year that needs everything to be new or rebuilt.
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Sorry if I chilled your quiche, Knockers. Surely it will find a niche-among the 'look-at-me' crowd. Not the 'make-it-run-like-the-original' crowd. The total character of the original is lost with e-control harnesses and clap trap, AC and what ever else SPF will deem the well-heeled clueless want. How soon 'til we see these on BJ??
We can agree to disagree about the new canvas vs 'POS' starting point. Starting with a new aluminum KMP-I agree. Starting with this weak effort from SPF-I disagree. They're talking $100K entry and I'd rather make a complete, running old mid-year new for that money with the build direction I described.
This is sort o' like 'let's build an F14 replica with Cessna 110 innards'.
I'm glad it's a tangent to the Cobra market-we've already got our own armrest and cup-holder crowd.
Point taken about early car trunks but you DO get my point. As long as golf bags fit back there SPF will be able to peddle these.
I'm certain the SPF's of the world are scouring the vintage race landscape looking for material to 'modernize' and domesticate a new product for eager, non-tech spenders. That's where the money is.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Sorry if I chilled your quiche, Knockers. Surely it will find a niche-among the 'look-at-me' crowd. Not the 'make-it-run-like-the-original' crowd. The total character of the original is lost with e-control harnesses and clap trap, AC and what ever else SPF will deem the well-heeled clueless want. How soon 'til we see these on BJ??
We can agree to disagree about the new canvas vs 'POS' starting point. Starting with a new aluminum KMP-I agree. Starting with this weak effort from SPF-I disagree. They're talking $100K entry and I'd rather make a complete, running old mid-year new for that money with the build direction I described.
This is sort o' like 'let's build an F14 replica with Cessna 110 innards'.
I'm glad it's a tangent to the Cobra market-we've already got our own armrest and cup-holder crowd.
Point taken about early car trunks but you DO get my point. As long as golf bags fit back there SPF will be able to peddle these.
I'm certain the SPF's of the world are scouring the vintage race landscape looking for material to 'modernize' and domesticate a new product for eager, non-tech spenders. That's where the money is.

Real men don't eat quiche. Make-it-run-like-the-original? I assume you can, if you want, but a lot of Cobras aren't like that either. Like mine for instance.

I actually have a friend who has a reasonably priced 65 Vette Coupe that I could buy, although a '63 would be correct, but I wouldn't cut it up to replicate the GS. And by the time someone like me finishes off a replica using an original body, we would be at $100,000 +/- anyway. Vettes are very expensive to paint, probably $15,000 +/- and 540's are $15,000 +/-. Add everything else (awesome suspension, interior and brakes) and I would bet it's a wash for me. I also tend to go "all out" if possible.

Anyways, a GT40 or a Daytona Coupe would probably be near or at the top of my list, not a GS.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I actually have a friend who has a reasonably priced 65 Vette Coupe that I could buy, although a '63 would be correct, but I wouldn't cut it up to replicate the GS. And by the time someone like me finishes off a replica using an original body, we would be at $100,000 +/- .

Maybe while I was ranting, I failed to make myself clear. I was just talking about what $100K could buy rather than this SPF. I was not advocating cutting an original car to replicate a GS. Just sayin' how modifying an original as I described was is a much better use of the $$ than this GS replica IMO.
And for the record, your car should run and stop much better than originals. 600HP, lighter and bigger brakes. Of course a driver would be needed to extract that performance envelope.
Uh... and I know about men vs. quiche...

[dcdoug]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I also tend to go "all out" if possible.

Except for a SOHC motor and real magnesium Halibrands.....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by dcdoug

Except for a SOHC motor and real magnesium Halibrands.....

Speaking of dogs on a bone....

If someone had a very nice set of later production magnesium Halibrands, I'd buy them, assuming the price was reasonable.

Chas, I'm very insulted.

I'm actually pretty fast, all things considered. Last summer, out of 87 entries, my pinewood derby car finished 3rd.

That may not be as accomplished as some on this board though.

I'd certainly be happy to run a foot race with most, excepting Usain Bolt, and see who wins too.

[Silverback51]

I like quiche.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

I like quiche.

Ergo.....

[froggyman]

...special people who can tell the difference between a mere replica and one that is Licensed by GM, endorsed by the Duntov Family, yes the same family as Zora's. And the term replica should be used not lightly here but in the highest context, one that the Duntov Motor Company was very much a part of.

Actually taking a 63 Corvette, chop it off and make it look like one of these exquisite replicas would actually be an abortion and less valuable since the real Grandsports and the production Corvettes were drastically different under the skin to begin with. This replica in the truest sense replicates the fabrication of the Original Grandsports from the ground up instead of a botched up approach to cloning.

This car has direct connection to the genes of the originals, Corporate, Family... what else is needed to give this Re-Creation its due credibility? Who else can claim these genes?

I just wish I could afford one, I would buy one in a HEARTBEAT, get it... hint, hint, OF AMERICA that is.

[kayakjack]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Starting with this weak effort from SPF.

Look Chas, you don't like Superformance. I got that. Two or three of your posts ago. Actually, many threads ago. You say it. Then you say it. Then you say it again.

It is unwarranted. Not nice. People who are contemplating purchase of a car read this.

If you would like some unsolicited, unfair rants about a manufacturer you like, keep it up.

Jack

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by kayakjack

Look Chas, you don't like Superformance. I got that. Two or three of your posts ago. Actually, many threads ago. You say it. Then you say it. Then you say it again.

It is unwarranted. Not nice. People who are contemplating purchase of a car read this.

If you would like some unsolicited, unfair rants about a manufacturer you like, keep it up.

Jack

Jack;
A. I have never written that I 'don't like SPF'-nor any other manufacturer in my 7 years here. Stated for your understanding, I have little respect for replica vehicles which have morphed into modern interpretations (and their followers) and go away from the raw-boned experiences Cobras and GS' were. It's missing the point in an expensive way for the ability to be a show-off. The deceased original D&D GS was just such a raw-boned effort and captured the original's character perfectly. I know because I saw and drove one. This car is all about show biz and credentials-GM is throwing marketing money at Cup, Indycar, Sprints and now apparently check-book replica owners. The Duntov connection is without the pivotal player who WAS the real deal-Zora. I feel the same way about countless 4000 pound signature series Mustangs from Shelby and Roush-designed to create hype and extract money from the 'car-guys'. The companies are out to make money-I don't hate them for that.
B. I have written this PRECISELY because people might contemplate buying this. I'm stating clearly that it's my opinion that they will get no real value out of this exorbitantly priced effort and have few eager buyers waiting when the shine wears off. There are many more rewarding automotive experiences for $100K+ than this.
C.We're all allowed to express opinions here, solicited or not. The perceptive among us have learned to ignore an opinion they disagree with or to debate it on the points made with counter views and evidence. In fact, you haven't countered any of my points about expense or anything else I wrote, you just said I'm not a nice player.
D.That's quite a threat there Jack. There are about 6 manufacturers I 'like' so feel free to make any rants you care to. Since I have the most experience with ERA, I'm eager to discuss any criticisms you have, assuming you have the experience to back them up. In a thread of your choosing.

[ratsnst1]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Sorry if I chilled your quiche, Knockers. Surely it will find a niche-among the 'look-at-me' crowd. Not the 'make-it-run-like-the-original' crowd. The total character of the original is lost with e-control harnesses and clap trap, AC and what ever else SPF will deem the well-heeled clueless want. How soon 'til we see these on BJ??
We can agree to disagree about the new canvas vs 'POS' starting point. Starting with a new aluminum KMP-I agree. Starting with this weak effort from SPF-I disagree. They're talking $100K entry and I'd rather make a complete, running old mid-year new for that money with the build direction I described.
This is sort o' like 'let's build an F14 replica with Cessna 110 innards'.
I'm glad it's a tangent to the Cobra market-we've already got our own armrest and cup-holder crowd.
Point taken about early car trunks but you DO get my point. As long as golf bags fit back there SPF will be able to peddle these.
I'm certain the SPF's of the world are scouring the vintage race landscape looking for material to 'modernize' and domesticate a new product for eager, non-tech spenders. That's where the money is.

you could buy a 65 vette no matching numbers go thrue it with l88 flares your tire and wheel choice a nice bbc with a richmond 5 speed, do the suspension up grades, junk all the steel stuff to the nice alluminum ones , get the rack and pinion stering kit, new interior, along with powder coating the frame, and your set, for a hell of a lot less.