Oil Filter study

Morris · #1 (**permalink**) 03-31-2009, 10:59 AM

Look at Canton Filters...CM type... not the spin on .... the 6" Manual filter that's bolted on top and bottom ...used on the pressure side........ no by-pass..... also use a 6" course filter on the return to the Dry sump tank....

69boss429 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-31-2009, 12:51 PM

When looking for the best filter for my Boss 429 I discovered that the WIX racing filter had a very high flow rate compared to all others,I believe it was almost double.
I have been using them ever since.

Zoom This · #3 (**permalink**) 04-02-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 69boss429

When looking for the best filter for my Boss 429 I discovered that the WIX racing filter had a very high flow rate compared to all others,I believe it was almost double.
I have been using them ever since.

Boss...the Wix racing filter is a very good racing filter but doesn't provide a lot of filtering for a street application. The extra flow is attributed to less filter media and was not recommended by the Wix rep at SEMA for street use. Non-racing Wix filter is recommended for street use.

Bill

Ronbo · #4 (**permalink**) 04-02-2009, 08:26 PM

Get a nipple adapter and run the two quart chevy filter...

BAT has the dual thread adapters (go to the "filter" section). http://www.batinc.net/mocal.htm (Ford 3/4-16 to Chevy 13/16)

Here's the huge filter: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...818380+400105+

The guy's nuts that said the oil doesn't go through the filter element.

69boss429 · #5 (**permalink**) 04-03-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoom This

Boss...the Wix racing filter is a very good racing filter but doesn't provide a lot of filtering for a street application. The extra flow is attributed to less filter media and was not recommended by the Wix rep at SEMA for street use. Non-racing Wix filter is recommended for street use.

Bill

Thanks for that info !
I run 2 to 3000 miles pre year with oil changes at 1500,overkill maybe.I'll ask the WIX tech what he thinks about that.
I was having issues with other filters seeping at the gasket where the filter meets my oil cooler adapter(stock Boss item),and running a Melling HV pump.
Thought other filters might be causing restriction and excess pressure at that point.Anyway,to make a long story longer it turned out to be a porous castingwhich I then painted with glyptal.Problem seems to have gone away.
Dave

Ant · #6 (**permalink**) 03-31-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Morris

Look at Canton Filters...CM type... not the spin on .... the 6" Manual filter that's bolted on top and bottom ...used on the pressure side........ no by-pass..... also use a 6" course filter on the return to the Dry sump tank....

Morris are you referring to the cannister style inline or the billet housing same as the thermostat housing?
Cantons claim that their filters do down to 8 microns and flow good for race applications obviously has been tested.
Wix race filters are 60 micron filtering which is fine for a race engine that sees limited miles before tear down, maybe they use a different media that doesnt flow as well as Canton when filtering finer particles.

I have since purchased a Peterson HP6 remote mount and a K&N HP-5001 filter and what a "BIG" filter, I cant fit it in any of the places I wanted to, so thats gone back to the shop. Now considering a Peterson HP4 with shorter Moroso 27 micron race filter of 4-9/32" height.

My system is dry sump and I have screen filters in the oil pan, I dont see the point in a filter on the scavenge return when it already has screen filters in the pan, but I might make a large screen filter that fits down on the first tank baffle to stop any debris going through tank and on to my oil pump, and in case of foreign object dropped through filler cap.

This subject has been well discussed on CC and I am still confused.....!!!

Morris · #7 (**permalink**) 04-02-2009, 01:02 PM

Ant

We use this filter on the pressure side.

http://www.cmfilters.com/remote_filt...il_filters.htm

It is 8 microns and the oil has to go thru it ...no by pass .... sealed on top and bottom..... and I can run the oil pressure as high as we want to ..... the pump is a Aviaid pump .....but we had a Cast iron pressure section made for it and the pressure stays stable at hige temps.

And we use the screen filters mounted in the oil Pan to the pump and then we use another one like this on the scavenge side out of the pump and to the oil tank.... both are needed, We take temps of oil in the Dry sump tank and we take temps after the cooler going back into the motor....

http://www.cmfilters.com/remote_filt...en_filters.htm

You can't protect your engine enough..... and our oil temps will go as high as 300*degrees and that is using the largest NASCAR Cooler made by Fluidyne.... Huge Cooler....

Morris

Mark IV · #8 (**permalink**) 04-02-2009, 01:37 PM

Ford Motorcvraft FL1HP

Heavy case, more retaining threads, lotsa flow.

Got the Bug · #9 (**permalink**) 04-02-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark IV

Ford Motorcvraft FL1HP

Heavy case, more retaining threads, lotsa flow.

Where can you get the best price on the FL1-HP? You can usually find it on Amazon for about $16 (includes shipping) which beats the Ford dealer's price.

You can also use the WIX 51622.

http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51622

bigrob · #10 (**permalink**) 04-15-2009, 07:26 AM

I went through the Gopower reusable oil filter thing on the Vett C5 forum. I wanted to get it, but never did. I only put a couple of thousand miles on my Vett a year, and I guess I am just kinda lazy. But, as in this case, nobody seemed opened minded to it at all. If it does filter better, and keeps flow up, why would you not want to use it? If it is protecting your motor more efficiently, what's to think about? Sure you have to take the time to clean it, and it costs alot in comparison to a disposable filter, but why say no? Im just curious

Ant · #11 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 06:49 PM

The oil system has been a long drawn out process for me to sort out being dry sumped I have been playing mind games on whether to fit cooler on pressure or scavenge side, and what oil filter to use.

The outcome (today) is to run Cooler and the Canton 40gpm thermostat here in not so hot NZ, on the pressure side, going through a Canton remote cannister oil filter.

After looking at all the different Oil filters, and its really obvious if you are serious about racing then you dont put a std filter on your car, generally people seem to use a good K&N, Moroso, Wix, Motorcraft, Fram HP and on it goes, the micron rating can vary from around 18 to 61 for the Wix Racing filter, also a lot of racers use stainless screen filters or around 30 - 45 micron, as they depend on oil flow to keep the engine alive...!

Looking at the Canton Cannister style filters for my primary engine oil supply, one of which I have just purchased, I wonder why more people dont use these, as they flow 45gpm which is more flow than most filters and filter down to 8 microns and look a quality product, plus are quite compact compared to an HP6 Filter and remote adapter.!
It seems as they have the spectrum covered both in flow and filtering with the type of filter material and deep filtering design.

PS: Jac Mac I am going to keep an Aeroquip adapter in the tool kit if the oil cooler blows...LOL

Ant · #12 (**permalink**) 04-03-2009, 03:27 PM

I have a canton thermostat that looks like it has the same shape. I see your point of "no by pass"
looking at it from my point of view I would have to import the replacement elements, which isnt a problem! I see on their website they have an inline filter that can be used as a primary filter as well, it uses the same part # element as the billet housing filter!!!
Did you notice any flow or pressure loss with the 8 micron?
I was going to use a Moroso filter of 27 microns but it can still bypass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morris

Ant

We use this filter on the pressure side.

http://www.cmfilters.com/remote_filt...il_filters.htm

It is 8 microns and the oil has to go thru it ...no by pass .... sealed on top and bottom..... and I can run the oil pressure as high as we want to ..... the pump is a Aviaid pump .....but we had a Cast iron pressure section made for it and the pressure stays stable at hige temps.

And we use the screen filters mounted in the oil Pan to the pump and then we use another one like this on the scavenge side out of the pump and to the oil tank.... both are needed, We take temps of oil in the Dry sump tank and we take temps after the cooler going back into the motor....

http://www.cmfilters.com/remote_filt...en_filters.htm

You can't protect your engine enough..... and our oil temps will go as high as 300*degrees and that is using the largest NASCAR Cooler made by Fluidyne.... Huge Cooler....

Morris