Hillbanks Pricing

[eschaider]

All markets are limited in size. There are no unlimited markets, there are only larger and smaller markets. Buyers have more than enough manufacturers and replica styles / authenticity levels to choose from in our market. There is absolutely no reason that anyone should feel he is without alternatives.

The value of any item is always determined by what an arms length transaction between a buyer and seller each of whom is acting in their own best interests, free of undue pressure to trade determines that value to be. The free market system we enjoy (so far) punishes the greedy who attempt to gouge buyers and rewards the fair who price fairly.

While everyone is entitled to an opinion there is no evidence any pricing collusion to unfairly raise prices on these vehicles exists anywhere between any two entities. To suggest otherwise is just personal opinion and flies in the face of the facts. Entertaining conspiracy theory but just that conspiracy theory!

If you don't like the price of a new vehicle, that is your prerogative. If enough people feel the same as you do, the seller will ultimately have to adjust pricing if he wishes to continue to sell product at the levels he previously did. If the market sees the situation differently than you do the product continues to be sold, you just don't have any — assuming you stand on your principals.

To accuse businesses of collusive practices and activities without a scintilla of evidence, other than personal opinion, is juvenile and irresponsible — in the extreme!!


Ed

[kayakjack]

Originally Posted by eschaider

to accuse businesses of collusive practices and activities without a scintilla of evidence, other than personal opinion, is juvenile and irresponsible — in the extreme!!


Ed

...... +1

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by eschaider

All markets are limited in size. There are no unlimited markets, there are only larger and smaller markets. Buyers have more than enough manufacturers and replica styles / authenticity levels to choose from in our market. There is absolutely no reason that anyone should feel he is without alternatives.

The value of any item is always determined by what an arms length transaction between a buyer and seller each of whom is acting in their own best interests, free of undue pressure to trade determines that value to be. The free market system we enjoy (so far) punishes the greedy who attempt to gouge buyers and rewards the fair who price fairly.

While everyone is entitled to an opinion there is no evidence any pricing collusion to unfairly raise prices on these vehicles exists anywhere between any two entities. To suggest otherwise is just personal opinion and flies in the face of the facts. Entertaining conspiracy theory but just that conspiracy theory!

If you don't like the price of a new vehicle, that is your prerogative. If enough people feel the same as you do, the seller will ultimately have to adjust pricing if he wishes to continue to sell product at the levels he previously did. If the market sees the situation differently than you do the product continues to be sold, you just don't have any — assuming you stand on your principals.

To accuse businesses of collusive practices and activities without a scintilla of evidence, other than personal opinion, is juvenile and irresponsible — in the extreme!!


Ed

Brilliant dissertation on economics, BTW, I love the "there are no unlimited markets" comment (), but two things:

1. I mentioned on TWO occasions in this thread that: a) there's no evidence of collusion in the Cobra industry and b) that I'm not accusing anyone of collusion. I was responding "in theory." So, if someone wants to call me juvenile and irresponsible, if you were referring to me, behind their almighty keyboard, then I think they should go find themselves better reading comprehension skills.

2. Markets are imperfect. One of many examples. The stock market has an issue right now with High Frequency Traders that allegedly manipulate stock prices. And as Bill (MrMustang) mentions, S happens in the car sales and auction business. So, bury your head in the sand, if you desire.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

So, if someone wants to call me juvenile and irresponsible, if you were referring to me, behind their almighty keyboard, then I think they should go find themselves better reading comprehension skills.

I've been doing that since the day you joined this forum.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I've been doing that since the day you joined this forum.

Under every post of yours, there should be this disclaimer:

"The opinions of owners of beige Cobras, with faux FE's and weird looking doo-hickey things for coolant overflow, don't count."

[Bxx1]

IMHO the main advantage of a dealer such as Hillbank, is they offer a variety of different Cobra's at slighlty inflated prices. The main advantage is VARIETY... one stop shopping. Yes, I would prefer to purchase a private party Cobra... but if I want a particular color/motor, wheel/tire combo Hillbank might have it in inventory right now. Convenience might be worth the extra $$. And there is wiggle room on the price.

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Brilliant dissertation on economics, BTW, I love the "there are no unlimited markets" comment (), but two things:

1. I mentioned on TWO occasions in this thread that: a) there's no evidence of collusion in the Cobra industry and b) that I'm not accusing anyone of collusion. I was responding "in theory." So, if someone wants to call me juvenile and irresponsible, if you were referring to me, behind their almighty keyboard, then I think they should go find themselves better reading comprehension skills.

2. Markets are imperfect. One of many examples. The stock market has an issue right now with High Frequency Traders that allegedly manipulate stock prices. And as Bill (MrMustang) mentions, S happens in the car sales and auction business. So, bury your head in the sand, if you desire.

The rant was not aimed at you Rodknock (embarrassed, I forgot your real name) or Bill. It was aimed at the other posts that suggested, without evidence, a conspiratorial nature in the pricing practices of our community. I actually don't have any argument with either your position or Bill's. My issue is with the suggestion of collusive pricing practices.

Suggestions about collusive pricing practices for which there is no evidence is just not responsible. It is the equivalent of someone saying I heard that so-in-so is a bad guy without any accreditation as to the source or its own credibility. Statements without accreditation should be as offensive to us as readers as they are to the accused. By pushing back on that sort of behavior we not only discourage and discredit it but, we also discredit those who choose to traffic in that sort of misbehavior.

Don't misunderstand the argument. I am wholly in favor of calling someone out who has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Shucks, they don't even have to take a bite out of the cookie! As long as they were caught with their hand in the jar or in the act of removing the cookie from the jar, they are fair game and should be woofed on.


Ed

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by eschaider

The rant was not aimed at you Rodknock (embarrassed, I forgot your real name) or Bill. It was aimed at the other posts that suggested, without evidence, a conspiratorial nature in the pricing practices of our community. I actually don't have any argument with either your position or Bill's. My issue is with the suggestion of collusive pricing practices.

Suggestions about collusive pricing practices for which there is no evidence is just not responsible. It is the equivalent of someone saying I heard that so-in-so is a bad guy without any accreditation as to the source or its own credibility. Statements without accreditation should be as offensive to us as readers as they are to the accused. By pushing back on that sort of behavior we not only discourage and discredit it but, we also discredit those who choose to traffic in that sort of misbehavior.

Don't misunderstand the argument. I am wholly in favor of calling someone out who has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Shucks, they don't even have to take a bite out of the cookie! As long as they were caught with their hand in the jar or in the act of removing the cookie from the jar, they are fair game and should be woofed on.


Ed

I agree with everything you said, especially since naming names of people and/or companies, with or without any evidence, on the Internet is probably libel and/or slander.

[NRP/MN]

The one issue no one has addressed in the cost of Superformance (or BDR or any car imported) is the loss in value of the American dollar. The price reflects how the world values our currency. I saw this trend around 2006-7 in European
race cars sold in this country. The value of the product has not gone up, it just takes more of our dollars to purchase them. Just another opinion!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by NRP/MN

The one issue no one has addressed in the cost of Superformance (or BDR or any car imported) is the loss in value of the American dollar. The price reflects how the world values our currency. I saw this trend around 2006-7 in European race cars sold in this country. Just another opinion!

Valid point. But what is also never mentioned is that if you are driving a CSX, Kirkham, ERA, SPF, or even a BDR you are most likely completely out of touch with the real economic reality in America, much less the rest of the world.

[CHANMADD]

It's that Tomatoe thing.........we can all grow them but we go to the grocery store because ...first ...they are always there......and when I cut that tomatoe I know there will be no worms and it will look and taste great......
Anyone of us can start to make a replica .........for sale......do all the work etc........

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Valid point. But what is also never mentioned is that if you are driving a CSX, Kirkham, ERA, SPF, or even a BDR you are most likely completely out of touch with the real economic reality in America, much less the rest of the world.

Huh? Because I own a Cobra replica, I'm completely out of touch with the real economic reality in America? Really? Or is that just some typical Patrick Hot Air?

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by patrickt

But what is also never mentioned is that if you are driving a CSX, Kirkham, ERA, SPF, or even a BDR you are most likely completely out of touch with the real economic reality in America, much less the rest of the world.

You really believe that? Someone's ability to afford the nicer things in life because they worked their AZZ OFF to get there makes them naive? Really?!? Should they just sell their car and hand over the Benjies to the guy holding a tin cup? Wow, Socialism and is alive and well on CC.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by eschaider

All markets are limited in size. There are no unlimited markets, there are only larger and smaller markets.

And for further clarification, since it appears more clarification is needed, the Cobra market is more limited than, let's say, the market for Mexican restaurants in the City of San Diego.