Carroll Shelby Engine Company

[REAL 1]

Exactly. What he said.

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Exactly. What he said.

Would either of you care to define "fullness of time" in this context? Do you mean a few years? Ten? Fifty?

[franklin]

Originally Posted by Tony Ripepi

Hi Guys,

The real deal is that SAI is a business and an expansion into another market where their "Name Brand" may have an appeal to a segment of the buyers makes sense. Revenue drives a business and a broader market means more revenue.

It is interesting on the day that Shelby signed the dashboard of my Daytona he asked what engine was in it, when I told him that it was a 351 bored to 408 he said " Those things blow up a lot". I guess the Shelby engine group figured out that the 351 bored to 427 is a great motor for a Cobra.



In the fullness of time the market will determine if there is a value to Shelby endorsed products. If the current consumer wants to make the bet that an investment in the Shelby brand has value now and may have increased value in the future.

Tony R.

Even Mr. Shelby himself knows what will hold value in the future... Hey is that a Kirkham hat he is wearing?

[Tony Ripepi]

Hi Gunner,

Fulness of time.....

1) When you decide to sell your Cobra, will having Shelby brand mean anything to the buyer.

2) When Shelby goes to the fate we all have in front of us what will happen to the value of the products he touched, signed , endorsed etc. etc.

3) Every day that you get is the only guarantee and the fulness of time may be just "Today".

4) Others feel free to add your definition .....

TR

[KevinW]

.... maybe its because Im English, but

.... WTF? ..... Who cares? eh???!!!

If it wasnt built in Thames Ditton and shipped and fitted out at SA in the 60s, then its a 427 S/C replica.

But a good lookin' car is a good ;lookin' car. we all tick that box.

......... did i miss anything out?

ah yeah i did. if i had the cash id buy a car from uncle shelb with an engine tag to match all clothed in an ali body.

but im still thinking.... WTF ? WTF? WTF?

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by KevinW

... WTF? ..... Who cares?

REAL1 cares. A lot. So much that he brings it up in every thread where he can edge the topic in. And chose his user name to suit. And has a huge sig expounding his philosophy. And owns about $300k in "Shelby" rolling stock, none of it built before 2005 or so.

The rest of us? Not so much.

I agree that the last REAL CSX was built a long, long time ago in a country... well, near to you but far away from us. Those cars continue to appreciate at hellacious levels (*sob*). All of the replicas, from Leno's hand-built one to the crummiest junk-era Classic or FF... we'll see. "In the fullness of time," if not in being full of... well, something.

[patrickt]

If my exact same engine builder built the exact same FE that I have now, using the exact same parts, and the exact same tools, and to the exact same specifications, but did so under the auspices of it being a true Shelby engine, then I think it would probably be worth a little bit more both now and when CS passes on. Not a tremendous amount though -- probably not as much as most of lost today in the stock market.

[RodKnock]

As for #2, the one thing I remember when Enzo Ferrari passed was that for a brief time, older and classic Ferraris went WAY up, but then prices settled back down into normal price appreciation and depreciation patterns depending on the Ferrari model of course. Speculation always happens.

[REAL 1]

That unit of time between the time you buy your Shelby product of choice and the time you or your heirs sell it.

Hope this helps.

[rodneym]

Rodknock,

You should know better than bring common sense in to this old argument.

I like the old man. And his piss and vinegar is what fueled the fun we're now enjoying. But I still don't personally care for a silver paint pen signature on the dash. I have a limited edition Cobra toy with his sig but that's for fun and posterity. I would never consider a signature, paid for or not, no be any kind of 'endorsement'. I mean, c'mon, some sigs are on great cars, others...not so much.

How about a signed bottle of ZMax?

[REAL 1]

Limited production cars seem to be valued by collectors. i.e. classic Ferraris, Cobras, Muscle cars of various varieties.

No one knows what tomorrow will bring. I bought the cars I have based on the following factors in order of importance (1) personal enjoyment (2) cars that are likely to hold their value relatively well (each car I have is limited in production number) and have maybe a chance to even appreciate with time.

No car was purchased as an investment although it may work out that way as to some. Not counting on it though. But I do believe a Shelby (and for that matter a Kirkham) has a much better chance of an increase in value in the future than a replica of any make. Thats for certain in my mind.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Limited production cars seem to be valued by collectors. i.e. classic Ferraris, Cobras, Muscle cars of various varieties.

Don't get me wrong, I REALLY love the Ford GT and the CSX 4000's and now 6000's, but in the collector car world, 4,000 GT's (though Ford has stopped making them) and the continuation CSX Cobra's are NOT truly limited production cars. Though by definition, the Ford GT having stopped production is NOW limited.

Now, having 1 of 11 (or whatever) 1971 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Convertibles IS limited production.

[RodKnock]

Speaking of Shelby-endorsed products, I received the Team Shelby Catalog in the mail a few days ago. It's approaching the size of a large city's yellow pages! I briefly thumbed through it and then tossed it into the garbage along with the other catalogs. For the few seconds that it was in my hands, it looked like a slick catalog though.

[Gunner]

So you're saying CSX cars will always appreciate?

[Tony Ripepi]

All Good Thoughts,

The day Shelby signed the dash on my Daytona was an event called the " Art of Speed" at a gallery in Marin. At the same event were Phil Hill and Dan Guerny, I had them sign a pic and my Daytona limited edition book, Shelby also signed a pic with his deceased wife Rita and Jim Hall in the background from way back in the day. The pic with Jim Hall is on the table and the hat is from the Art of Speed event. The Danny Day art work in the backgroud is hanging in my office with signatures from all three.



With Phil Hill gone my comment of "The Fullness of Time" has some additional meaning.

Tony R.

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by Tony Ripepi

The day Shelby signed the dash on my Daytona was an event called the "Art of Speed" at a gallery in Marin. At the same event were Phil Hill and Dan Guerny, I had them sign a pic and my Daytona limited edition book.

Now THAT I'm envious of.

All I've done lately is exchange email with David Crosby.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Gunner

Now THAT I'm envious of.

All I've done lately is exchange email with David Crosby.

Tell David "Hi" from Lyons (Planet Bluegrass).

[Excaliber]

If your going to have Shelby build your motor then price is not a problem. So go ahead and buy that Mexican block or a new after market block because that cost is a tiny fraction of the total cost once Shelby get's your wallet, er, I mean block.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

If your going to have Shelby build your motor then price is not a problem. So go ahead and buy that Mexican block or a new after market block because that cost is a tiny fraction of the total cost once Shelby get's your wallet, er, I mean block.

Probably won't even let you have a solid, flat tappet cam anyway.

[Allan A]

Just buy a CSX car and be happy. Buy the others and also be happy but be ready to take it in the rear when you sell.

Cheers,

Allan