Carroll Shelby Engine Company

[RodKnock]

Now you can get a Shelby CSX car with a Shelby Certified Rebuild Engine and Tune:

http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Item/..._ford_v8s.aspx

[REAL 1]

Makes sense. Why not?

[Gunner]

And probably has nothing to do with a drastic fall-off in new engine orders.

BTW, if no one's noticed it, you can now get the major components for a Dove SOHC 427 for just over $10k - a 50% cut.

[REAL 1]

I'm sure it has everything to do with making money and keeping things going especially in this economy.

Last I checked we live in a Capitalistic system although that may change with this administration.

SAI is doing nothing different than any other entrepreneur. Trying to make money.

And your point therefore is????

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

SAI is doing nothing different than any other entrepreneur. Trying to make money.

And your point therefore is????

I have to agree with Evan. It's the American way, and it's the reason most of us can spend what we did on a stupid toy.

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

And your point therefore is????

That luxury makers have to find a way to get by, too.

[RodKnock]

Agreed. Times are tough right now. Every business is looking for ways to make money in this economy.

With a CSX Cobra, a CS-signed dash and the tag from CS Engine Company, an owner will be getting the "Trifecta" or it is a "hat trick"?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

With a CSX Cobra, a CS-signed dash and the tag from CS Engine Company, an owner will be getting the "Trifecta" or it is a "hat trick"?

More like nil, null, and void.

[lineslinger]

So...........if its not a "REAL" Shelby engine in a "REAL" Shelby car, is that car really a "REAL 1" or is it just a semi "REAL 1" and require a "REAL" Shelby built engine in it to justify claiming it to be a complete and "REAL 1" continuation ?
This ought'a be good

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by lineslinger

So...........if its not a "REAL" Shelby engine in a "REAL" Shelby car, is that car really a "REAL 1" or is it just a semi "REAL 1" and require a "REAL" Shelby built engine in it to justify claiming it to be a complete and "REAL 1" continuation ?

Everyone knows it's not real unless Unca Carroll crapped out the aluminum ingots his own self.

[RedBarchetta]

He's just trying to steal some of Roush's thunder in the whole performance engine supply segment.

"...every engine overhauled or rebuilt will include an official “Rebuilt by Carroll Shelby Engine Company” tag that can be mounted in the engine bay."

And coming to an eBay auction near you, knock-offs from Bejing!

-Dean

[REAL 1]

yous guys can say what you want but in years to come I definitely believe some Shelby stuff of today/this generation will have REAL value. Thats MHO.

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

yous guys can say what you want but in years to come I definitely believe some Shelby stuff of today/this generation will have REAL value. Thats MHO.

Well, it's more than your opinion; it's also your checkbook, which speaks louder.

You clearly believe this position, as I've seen you defend it vigorously across the board. You may even be right, as there's no telling what the next generation of collector/buyers will think.

My VHO is that Unca Carroll has rubber-stamped his name on so much stuff (some of it of VERY dubious quality and value) since the original days that the collectors will dismiss everything after 1968 or so - for good or bad, rightly or wrongly. Gresham's law applies to this kind of money as well...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Gunner

Gresham's law applies to this kind of money as well...

Ah yes, this is the law that states that Tom Cruise, Julia Roberts, Denzel Washington, Gene Hackman, John Cusack, Dustin Hoffman, etc. are bad actors since they acted in movies based upon John Gresham's books.

If not, then I'll need our resident expert at everything, Patrick, to explain it to me.

[csx4910]

I dont care to participate in the real or not real debate (and dont really care) but what about the "shelby" block my Roush engine started with. Unless I understood it wrong, Roush started out with a 427 shelby alum block for the 511 engine in my car. Am I incorrect?
Ron

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

If not, then I'll need our resident expert at everything, Patrick, to explain it to me.

As usual, you are hopelessly wrong. Think Sir Thomas Gresham, around the 16th century or so....

[tkb289]

Rodney ... do you (or does anyone else for that matter) ... know if CS planning to do a line of 'small', small blocks like a 302 or 289 ??? Don't know if I would go that route, but it seems like something to consider.

Seems like the vast majority of the 'small blocks' are stroked, which if you think about essentially amounts to free horsepower from the increased displacement. But for those that are interested in old school motor displacements, it makes it all the more challenging to find a 'real' 302 ... or 289 for that matter.

- Tim

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by tkb289

Rodney ... do you (or does anyone else for that matter) ... know if CS planning to do a line of 'small', small blocks like a 302 or 289 ??? Don't know if I would go that route, but it seems like something to consider.

Seems like the vast majority of the 'small blocks' are stroked, which if you think about essentially amounts to free horsepower from the increased displacement. But for those that are interested in old school motor displacements, it makes it all the more challenging to find a 'real' 302 ... or 289 for that matter.

- Tim

Tim,

It appears that CS would rebuild your 289/302 engine if you brought it to them. Also, I think it would be very easy to find an early 289, 302 or even a Mexican 302 block for your build. I always see them posted on various websites like the NorCal Shelby website or even the SAAC Forum. Also, you could buy a brand new 302W block from Dart, if you had to, but then they're expensive and you don't really need it.

I'm sure a builder like Keith Craft would build you a straight up 289/302 as well. There are local guys who would build you one too.

[Gunner]

Done in moderation, stroking is such an easy source of free power - as well as completely invisible in even the most meticulously original build - that I can't see any reason not to take advantage of it. The problems with it are largely from the old days - trying to use an alternate factory crank or rods that couldn't withstand high-power use. If you're going to put in new forged parts anyway, you might as well go for a 331 or 347, which has practically no downside in terms of rod angles or durability.

But to each his own. I look forward to finding an FIA build with a 260 some day.

[Tony Ripepi]

Hi Guys,

The real deal is that SAI is a business and an expansion into another market where their "Name Brand" may have an appeal to a segment of the buyers makes sense. Revenue drives a business and a broader market means more revenue.

It is interesting on the day that Shelby signed the dashboard of my Daytona he asked what engine was in it, when I told him that it was a 351 bored to 408 he said " Those things blow up a lot". I guess the Shelby engine group figured out that the 351 bored to 427 is a great motor for a Cobra.



In the fullness of time the market will determine if there is a value to Shelby endorsed products. If the current consumer wants to make the bet that an investment in the Shelby brand has value now and may have increased value in the future.

Tony R.