CSX 6000 at Barrett-Jackson

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Colin Commer (sic)???? ... I'd be willing to bet I know more then (sic) he does about Cobras.

...careful, now.

[computerworks]

He wrote a book....you read one.

[4pipes]

Boy, I thought I was smarter than this, why do I keep reading this crap, why do I keep reading this crap, why..........

[Excaliber]

..it was, is their a door that leads back there? Maybe one guarded by a rabbit or a chesire cat?

[Excaliber]

The rabbit makes us read it, I think mrmustang has something to do with it. Him and the bunnies.

[REAL 1]

Fair enough. I edited my statement.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I don't think Comers article was meant as a commentary on whether the CSX Cobras are genuine Cobras (my reading of the article indicates to me he was using "replica" in broad sweeping sense as including anything other than the original series).

"The most accurate replicas are without question the Shelby continuation cars in aluminum (with bodies again supplied by AC Cars); or the Kirkham aluminum cars."

That tells me how Mr. Comers feels without ambiguity, at least as of March 2008.

[REAL 1]

Thats fine. He can feel that way. Don't care. Perhaps his "feelings" are slightly biased in that he apparently owns a 3000 series himself. Anyway, IMHO SAAC is THE authority on the particular subject of what is considered a genuine Cobra and what is a replica.

Also, I think he was using the term replica to include everything that isn't original. I believe thats clearly at odds with SAACs position. I'll go with SAAC. For those that don't agree with SAAC toss your Registry in the garbage.

[bret a ewing]

Colin sat in the front row at BJ, I think he really wanted to buy the CSX6000 but was afraid Pratt would suddely be interested and smoke 'em.

[Slither]

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

Colin sat in the front row at BJ, I think he really wanted to buy the CSX6000 but was afraid Pratt would suddely be interested and smoke 'em.

There is nothing special about CSX6018, although it is a fine car. I seriously doubt that Ron Pratt would have wanted that car! If he had wanted it, it would be in his museum by now! LOL

[RedBarchetta]

bdeutsch and jay, well stated!

[REAL 1]

Mr. Comer may be an automotive expert but IMHO the top authority on all things Cobra is SAAC and the Bible on all things Cobra IMHO is the SAAC Registry.

I don't believe IMHO that one authors article on replicas regardless his knowledge in the field of automobiles sets the standard as to what is and is not a replica. Then we would have to change direction everytime an "expert" wrote an article and voiced his opinion.

Nope...for me I'll stay with SAACs position. SAAC to me sets the standard for identifying and defining all things Cobra and GT40 and Shelby Mustang. The SAAC Registry IMHO sets the standard as to how these cars are to be considered in the general public. Not some isolated article on Cobra replicas, written by an automotive author that no less owns a 3000 series. Just becaues he throws the Continuation seires in with the term "replica" doesn't mean thats how the general public accepts the cars.

The Registry to my understanding is THE authoritative text on Cobras and Shelbys and I believe is widely recognized and accepted as such. Its over 1600 pages containing detailed information on these cars. It is the product of a number of dedicated automotive experts and enthusiasts. It has been around for about for about 30 years now and is the culmination of 30 years of research in its 4th edition.

The SAAC Registry "defines what Cobras are". This is one of its purposes.

Continuation series Cobras are not defined as replicas as that term is commonly used and understood today by the SAAC Registry. SAAC defines Continuation series Cobras (CSX 4000 series) as "current production Cobras". See page 30. While someone on this thread speculated that some head guys at SAAC may feel different, who knows.. they may not. Thats speculation. Who knows. What we do know is the official position they have taken and I'm sure that was the product of discussion and consensus at SAAC.

Also I think the general public perception of Continuation Cobras as something more then "replicas" is further buttressed by the fact they even in fiberglass bodied form are brinnging near $100K+ and more at auction in this economy no less. Try getting that for an ERA, SPF or Unique or any other "replica". Good luck.

It comes down to respect. Respect what others have. It will be returned to you. I agree with Jay also that you should just enjoy what you have, but that also means not pissing in the other guys sleeping blanket too.

Takes care.

[computerworks]

How's that SAAC membership? ...up to date?

[RodKnock]

I'm not sure why you keep quoting text from the SAAC Registry. I think we all know it by now.

Mr. Comer writes for a auction magazine with a reasonably large distribution, at least before the economy tanked, and thus his readers ARE the auction sellers and buyers that you speak of. I can only surmise, but I believe he's just reflecting what the "general market" thinks about ALL our Cobras, CSX's, KMP's, ERA's, SPF's, BDR's, FFR's, etc., etc.

BTW, I'm not trying to be a shill for Mr. Comer, since I've never met him, but here's his Company's website:

http://www.colinsclassicauto.com/

He deals in all sorts of cars and I believe he vintage races his '65 or 66 GT350. I can't recall which.

[RedBarchetta]

So who really has the biggest SAAC here?

Relax...just having fun with all the banter. It's actually all quite educational if you can separate the wheat from the chaff.

"Continuation series" sounds more appropriate for the modern CSX cars. I can buy into that logic (not literally, but I get it). The CSX cars are more than a mere replica and having Carroll build/endorse them is good enough for this replica owner.

-Dean

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

So who really has the biggest SAAC here?

Relax...just having fun with all the banter. It's actually all quite educational if you can separate the wheat from the chaff.

"Continuation series" sounds more appropriate for the modern CSX cars. I can buy into that logic (not literally, but I get it). The CSX cars are more than a mere replica and having Carroll build/endorse them is good enough for this replica owner.

-Dean

Dean, I don't consider you the "general public." A gentleman and a scholar, yes, but not "John Q. Public" or your typical "John Q. Auction Buyer and/or Seller."

[REAL 1]

I keep quoting from the SAAC Registry because I believe they are the ultimate authority on what these cars are and how they are defined and accepted/recognized.

Not some isolated article on replicas.

Thats my point.

Carry on.

Takes care

[Cashburn]

Yeah, Ron Pratt would never buy a continuation replica kit car.

[REAL 1]

Well we don't know for sure what John Q public thinks. But we do know what the leading authority says they (Continuation series) are and certainly what the buying and/or knowledgable general public seems to think. Again, I don't think guys drop close to and more than $100 large on what they perceive as faux Cobras. Thats the "general public" I am referring to.

Thats my take.

In the end I really don't care what the non enthusiast with little or no knowledge about Cobras thinks about the Continuation series. Who cares about them????.

I know what my car is and so do those that understand what these cars are and have researched the issue in the SAAC Registry which is the Bible on these cars.

If I were to sell my car it would be bought at the appropriate price for the market at that time for a top of the line aluminum Shelby Cobra by someone who knows what it is and what its value is not by some unknowledgable John Q Public who doesn't know a FFR from a Shelby.

[stush]

An ever changing market. At B-J in Las Vegas 10/09 CSX 6021 sold for 128,000 and in Scottsdale 1/10 CSX 6018 sold for I think 93,500 or so. Both prices include 10% buyers fee. The hammer price in Scottsdale was I think 85,000. I was there but can't remember exactly.

Stu