Here's An Interesting CSX4000 (or is it)?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Thanks for providing me an aluminum car that was $100,000 dollars less than the car you supply the bodies, etc for...

Ouch.




Just a thought here. Since you are a big Kirkham fan and must want to see them do well and since SAI may be a valued account for them perhaps your juvinile pot shots might be counter productive? I'll let you ponder that and wait for your insightful response.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ouch.




Just a thought here. Since you are a big Kirkham fan and must want to see them do well and since SAI may be a valued account for them perhaps your juvinile pot shots might be counter productive? I'll let you ponder that and wait for your insightful response.

I do, just don't understand the markup for a csx roller compared to a Kirkham which in all due respects is in the same class, it's like wine, I see bottles that sell for $1000 dollars and some for $100, which taste better that's an opinion, just like our opinions with cars, now if someone want's to buy a csx at that price range more power to them, I just don't feel it's justified, now that's not to hard to understand...again I like every cobra like its my own, some I just don't feel are worth their price point...

[REAL 1]

Yes,yes. Good point. I don't always drink wine..but when I do it's Boons Farm. That other stuff is just over price grape juice.

I do agree that people buy what they perceive is the best for them to buy based on their own criteria given their finances and what they choose to spend.

Yes, it is just that easy.

[David Kirkham]

I'm always happy to answer questions if I am around. We don't have a lot of secrets around here.

Jamo and Ron, Thanks for riding herd on all of us all these years

David

[Al G]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

I'm always happy to answer questions if I am around. We don't have a lot of secrets around here.

Jamo and Ron, Thanks for riding herd on all of us all these years

David

David,
There's been some debate recently about why Kirkhams are listed in the Shelby registry. Can you offer your thoughts on that?

[razerwire]

All of these cars are a large ticket item. We all try to reason and justify our actions. When it came to the car I have my thinking was , I can have a csx car and recoup the extra expense on exit. The car was assembled by , in my opinion one of the best. Extra rare in that it is # 7 of 11 full comp cars approved by factory, not that I need this much car. And it was a fair price since it was started by someone else. Also was aluminum, which was very important to me. At my age time frame was also a consideration. I like the Kirkland body shape also. :-) :-) My free time is real important and my cars play into that , enjoy what ever you have.

[OnyxRider]

Maybe I should start a Real! vs FordRacing65 thread!!! You guys don't let up lol.

On another note without starting another thread I was watching the Vegas based Pawn Stars and only caught a glimpse of it. A "1965 cobra" with ID was sold to the store. I caught the end when they were installing an engine. So if this was a Cobra was this a continuation that they completed?

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Maybe I should start a Real! vs FordRacing65 thread!!! You guys don't let up lol.

On another note without starting another thread I was watching the Vegas based Pawn Stars and only caught a glimpse of it. A "1965 cobra" with ID was sold to the store. I caught the end when they were installing an engine. So if this was a Cobra was this a continuation that they completed?

Fiberglass csx, they finished it and sold it.

[REAL 1]

No, I think it was actually an aluminum continuation Cobra if memory serves me.

Anyway amusing episode for a number of reasons.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No, I think it was actually an aluminum continuation Cobra if memory serves me.

Anyway amusing episode for a number of reasons.

They found an aluminum body but I don't think it had a suspension or frame. They showed a picture of what sure looked like a fiberglass car finished. My guess is Shelby swapped the alloy body for the other car. Nothing was said about power train installation or the cost to do it.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

They found an aluminum body but I don't think it had a suspension or frame. They showed a picture of what sure looked like a fiberglass car finished. My guess is Shelby swapped the alloy body for the other car. Nothing was said about power train installation or the cost to do it.

Eeer, now I'm curoius... How can you tell the difference between an alloy body and painted fibreglass one, just by looking at it on TV?
Particularly, a freshly painted body without dints.

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

They found an aluminum body but I don't think it had a suspension or frame. They showed a picture of what sure looked like a fiberglass car finished. My guess is Shelby swapped the alloy body for the other car. Nothing was said about power train installation or the cost to do it.

The body looked like it was aluminum, shouldn't there be an update in the registry if it's a continuation? darn starting to sound like Real 1 mentioning continuation and registry.


Here ya go the beginning not the finished Continuation Cobra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oeDEU8uNKQ

http://onscreencars.com/cars/1965-sh...ks-and-cobras/


Here's the thread from club cobra but it's about as useless as a thread "Real 1 vs fordracing65"

Pawn Stars Kirkham ?



Here's some great comments on this thread from SAI Registry Supervisor I like this comment...

What bothered me the most was the use of the words "real" and "authentic" by all parties involved alluding to a 1965 chassis

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...on-pawn-stars/


Comments

SundudeCAN 2 years ago


This is a CSX4000-series continuation Cobra chassis, built for the new Shelby American Inc. by Kirkham Motorsports. It is NOT an original CSX3000-series Cobra from the 1960s. An original 427 Cobra from the 1960s is worth upwards of $500K for an ordinary street car, to $1.5 million for a competition car, not $60K.

This episode of Pawn Stars had the most misleading set of edits/cuts I've ever seen in a TV program. Don't be fooled.

[Bernica]

That show and that Cobra have been pretty well vetted here by the members of CC. Do a thread search.

[OnyxRider]

Oh after doing an outside search found this thread from club cobra. Have no idea why it would not come up when doing an internal search.


Pawn Stars - History Channel



This seems to be the best post to sum everything up since several members posted some parts were filmed in SA.


Posted by PANAVIA


OK, so i finally got time to watch this on the DVR. -- That episode is soooooo wronggggg I cant even believe it.

Pawn Stars Cobra = SHAM.

Observations:

1. When the car is first brought in by the tow truck driver, you can see down the nose of the beast and see the *X* member first cross brace and the rack and pinion, with yellow zinc bolts holding the suspension pieces on and the patina of construction is NEW.

--So it is a Shelby style frame , and the aluminum body is of reasonable construction, albeit new.

2. When they visit the "Nevada-Classic-Cars" guy the first time to authenticate the car,-- they are actually standing in the cobra production area in shelby LV. (where is Gary Patterson >? _ ) and why wouldn't they mention they are *at* Shelby >?

3. When you compare the old vs new car shots, they are *two* different cars. The trunk lid is different, the tops of the doors were drilled for a soft top in the first car , where they are not in the car they delivered.

Bottom Line; -- I think they swapped out a 4000/6000 series fiberglass roller for the chassis they brought in, and *that* is what they take delivery of in the episode.

This would explain the BS about the seats and when they show him the car before they put the motor in , which by that time it is clearly at another shop -- it also has a non-drilled carpeted tunnel in it. --which explains the vinyl BS story as base cobra roller seats from HST are vinyl.

Anyway -- it takes months to finish a car properly , -even if you had someone working on it full time.

I think we were the viewers on a bait and switch.

* I hope the Pawn Shop guys know they were hoodwinked , they can get awful upset on that sort of thing. *

Steve

PS: UPDATE so the "CSX number" shown on that frame was headed the opposite way from my CSX.

IE: in order to read my CSX number on the shock "upright" you would need to be sitting in the engine bay as opposed to leaning over the fender.
the car shown in the episode the CSX number was upside down.
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