selling a Cobra with a Chevy.

[rodneym]

AL427SBF,
No need to complicate it. And we're not talking investments.
It was whether or not a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford.
In your example, Thor could have made out like a bandit but that doesn't say anything. Thor's sale only gives us one point of reference. That's why I mentioned mrmustang. I'm sure he's got numbers but he's probably observing from a distance, smiling like the Cheshire cat

[1985 CCX]

Tom
You misread my type #1, you made it negative.
You are also right about a replica; its a kit and that is it, but they can create profitable creations.

This will never settle the debate as you had what you had. But you never experienced the gas station chatter, ice cream stand or car show question.
"Is that a real 427?" They don't mean from GM.

It is what it is. Now you can relish in the memory of your old CCX car.
The one that got away ......... Tony would love this thread.


For the record this car was never on the road.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

For the record this car was never on the road.

Ahhh that's to bad. So the real question here is how does he know it would be faster than a Ford. Right now it's just a case of the "woulda, coulda, shoulda's"

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

Tom
You misread my type #1, you made it negative.
You are also right about a replica; its a kit and that is it, but they can create profitable creations.

This will never settle the debate as you had what you had. But you never experienced the gas station chatter, ice cream stand or car show question.
"Is that a real 427?" They don't mean from GM.

It is what it is. Now you can relish in the memory of your old CCX car.
The one that got away ......... Tony would love this thread.


For the record this car was never on the road.

For the record my CCX was a driver and it was from the time I was 18 til I was around 30. I never titled it or registered it, I could not. I have talked about how (in my opinion) Peter Bayer was an A-HOLE. When I found out my car was one of the prototypes and why things just did not fit correctly and where all my "back ordered " parts were, I would call Peter and all I would get was "yes we are aware of that problem and have corrected it". I was asking so what are you going to do for me? I paid good money but got the screw. Monti Gotti was nice to me but Peter was a DICK and told me to F off and don't bother to call again. The kicker was he never gave me a "Manufacturer Statement of Origin. Without the MSO I could not get a title or registration. I even with a friends dealer plate drove it to the State Police barracks to try and get a field safety inspection to try and get a title. The trooper looked at it ( this was in the late 80's) said I needed 5mph bumpers and the sidepipes were an absolute NO GO, and they almost arrested me for driving it only with some quick talking did they let me trailer it home. After that I had it at a friends garage (Floyd Gray owner Grays Garage) and I took it apart and was going to do a better ,cleaner job on the rebuild after all I was only 15 when I was putting it together the first time. It was there a for over a year when Floyd died and his two brothers believed that anything in the shop was theirs and I got tied up in a Probate battle. Which finally ended over a year later when I had had enough. I beat the crap out of both brothers and locked them in the trunk of a car and took all my Cobra stuff , Lucky me no witnesses . And since it has been in my garage. You can see Floyd in my "album" he is the gentleman on the right with the hat. He was a good friend

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by rodneym

AL427SBF,
No need to complicate it. And we're not talking investments.
It was whether or not a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford.
In your example, Thor could have made out like a bandit but that doesn't say anything. Thor's sale only gives us one point of reference. That's why I mentioned mrmustang. I'm sure he's got numbers but he's probably observing from a distance, smiling like the Cheshire cat

Actually it's a simplification, whatever power you have is already priced into it, that's the point. mrmustang can post selling numbers all day long, without knowing what the owner paid for it - the data tells half the story ...

... unless you just want to play the my replica is more expensive than your replica game (while you own it). We can do that with houses too I see hi-tech and quality components (just like Thor) as the real player in a replica's market value.
.

[1985 CCX]

AL427SBF

Keep in kind Tom and I have known each other since high school. 80's
Long history.

The point is there are many ways to create a Cobra. I am just a purist and for my budget I do what I can.
A great friend of mine has an awesome cobra that is more hot rod than Cobra. Just a different flavor.

This all started when I suggested best bang for buck would be selling the CCX and the bowtie separate as it may bring of net more $. I admittedly stated I don't know what a GM 427 with Muncie is worth. It has sat since late 80's. glad he made more than anyone expected. Me for sure. Figured the CCX could stand as a great base on its own legs.

Not sure about simple difference of cash in cash out.
But ok, I concede....

Btw the car in question.

[Dimis]

I kind of feel you are all complicating it...

100% of people I surveyed (me, myself and I) just have an unreasonable and unsubstantiated aversion to Chevys...

But I guess with a name like Thor, it's no wonder he prefers an anvil for an engine.
He needs something to hit with his hammer


Happy new year

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Dimis

I kind of feel you are all complicating it...

100% of people I surveyed (me, myself and I) just have an unreasonable and unsubstantiated aversion to Chevys...

But I guess with a name like Thor, it's no wonder he prefers an anvil for an engine.
He needs something to hit with his hammer


Happy new year

By his own admission Thor likes being the heretic, I'm good with that
Happy New Year all.
.

[Thor maine]

So what is the feeling on a small block stroked to 427 cubes? (Ford or Chevy or Mopar)

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

So what is the feeling on a small block stroked to 427 cubes? (Ford or Chevy or Mopar)

Fuse lit... Take cover!

Actually here's one of my all time favourite builds.

http://youtu.be/Rhg0xMzaO1c

Well, while its not a Ford, it's sahweeeeet as, and at least the numbers are right at 427cubes!

First LS7 in a cobra to my knowledge.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

So what is the feeling on a small block stroked to 427 cubes? (Ford or Chevy or Mopar)

Start with the exterior shape, it's called a 427 body. If you have the correct fender emblems they say 427 Ford Cobra. From there it becomes simple -

... If you have a Ford in it and it's a 427 CID motor then you can check that box.
... If it's a non-Ford 427, sand the "Ford" flat on the emblem and you will be ok, letters are slightly raised and unpainted so no one will notice.
... If you have a BB with more than 427 CID, any make motor, then you are SOL as it is the wrong size motor for the body.

When patrickt heads out for a cruise in his 440 BB, all his little buddies know he is behind the wheel of a rolling lie
.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

When patrickt heads out for a cruise in his 440 BB, all his little buddies know he is behind the wheel of a rolling lie
.

Lies are just a darker shade of truth.... And it's a 447.

[rodneym]

Evan,
Don't bother asking for actual $$$ amounts.
Even people who should be good with numbers can't handle the simple math.

[REAL 1]

Without the sell and cost in info his sale has proved nothing to anyone.

What's he afraid of?

[Hotfingrs]

My small block is 450 inches an makes a ton of power.

[REAL 1]

Thor: We still never got the info from you as to your selling price. What was you total cost in?

You say there are a lot of hot rod guys out there who are interested in a Bowtie Cobra replica? What data and information are you referring to?

Just because you post some add in local rag and had some local "hot rodders" show up with interest doesn't prove anything. Seems more like you got lucky.

CCX I think has analyzed it correctly.

The buyers that showed up for your car certainly didn't care much about aesthetic accuracy in the build and if they did then they are clueless regarding Cobras.

Seems like they were just looking for hot rod and likely would have been just as happy with an Austin Healy body with a bowtie for power.

Why are Chevy 427s much less expensive then FE427s? I would suggest to you its based on supply and demand. The demand for an FE for Cobra replica far exceeds that of bowtie motors with a shallower pool of supply.

Yes, you can analyze it as cost in and price obtained out with regard to the "torpedo" of value issue but it goes beyond that. The pool of buyers that will be interested in a nice Cobra replica with a correct FOMOC modder will far overshadow the one with those looking for one with a bowtie under the bonnet.

Regardless of whether you are running an LS7 with magnetic suspension under a Cobra shell from Contemporary, ERA etc.. or using all the correct pieces and parts from an aesthetic standpoint both are "replicas" of a Cobra. One will have the larger pool of interest on resale and higher value and the other the lower value and smaller pool of interest.

[mrmustang]

Fixed it for you

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Regardless of whether you are running an LS7 with magnetic suspension under a Cobra shell from Contemporary, ERA, SAI, etc.. or using all the correct pieces and parts from an aesthetic standpoint all are "replicas" of a Cobra.

Evan,

A happy and healthy new year to you and the family.


Bill S.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mrmustang;1****22

Fixed it for you



Evan,

A happy and healthy new year to you and the family.


Bill S.

You "fixed" it alright. LOL. Nothing like trying to stir the pot for the new year. Nice try.

Happy New Year to you too my friend.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1;1****51

You "fixed" it alright. LOL. Nothing like trying to stir the pot for the new year. Nice try.

Happy New Year to you too my friend.

You know me, son of an English Teacher, I'm constantly correcting everyones papers (in red)



Bill S.

[rodneym]

Some replicate, while most assimilate.
I think we know the who does what.