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Outstanding analogy.
Yup. Zactly. Perfect. That's the main social purpose of class actions. Don't screw the public and do the right thing and no bugs. Simple really.
Take away the prospect of bugs and see what happens. Wanna try that and see how that works out? Even with class action remedies available today there are still more than enough businesses and corps screwing the public and others every day and willing to take the risk. Exhibit A. Take a look at the allegation of the OP. While just an allegation at this juncture what if it's proved to be true?
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Obviously, in labor and employment I have ongoing relationships with these folks (fighting unions, employment litigation). Some are the biggest produce companies in the world, others produce the wine you have with your meals, and still others are mom and pop farms where the owners take care of their business at the kitchen table. The one thing they (and I) do is treat legal services as just another element of getting the job done, and they know to employ legal (anything from union prevention strategies to ensuring compliance with employment laws) to prevent problems like class actions, just like applying pesticides to prevent bugs before they attack.
I spent 22+ years working for an IBM subsidiary in the IT services industry. Much of that was involved in putting together and negotiating service agreements with customers, often multi-year outsourcing agreements. I found it advantageous to engage the legal team early in the process, while many of my peers waited as long as they could to bring the legal folks in. Let's just say the former approach worked out much better than the latter.
Practicing law is difficult, challenging not to mention thankless in many cases.
REAL 1, I suspect one of the big contributing factors is legal compensation is so highly concentrated among individual clients. The opposite end of the spectrum where the public tends to more readily accept is when a company makes pennies each off of millions of widgets. Sounds like the best scenario for an attorney looking to maximize revenue with the happiest clients is to perhaps do work for large corporations where hundreds of millions is at stake on an issue, such that the client feels more positive even if they have to pay a couple million out of the coffers? The fees still need to be kept below some reasonable hurdle, but that will certainly be higher than what most individuals or small companies can stomach. Probably hard getting those assignments though...
Practicing law is difficult, challenging not to mention thankless in many cases.
A few bad apples has made it difficult for the majority.
Agreed - when speaking to people my dear wife was very careful about mentioning one of her brothers was a lawyer, while the other is an auditor for the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA = Canadian equivalent of the IRS).
Now that brother #1 is a judge a greater number of people find that more acceptable than his previous occupation as a lawyer. Go figure.
Agreed - when speaking to people my dear wife was very careful about mentioning one of her brothers was a lawyer, while the other is an auditor for the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA = Canadian equivalent of the IRS).
Now that brother #1 is a judge a greater number of people find that more acceptable than his previous occupation as a lawyer. Go figure.
My No. 1 son is an attorney and partner in a good firm and even he tells lawyer jokes!
Everyone b!tches about lawyers until they need one and then they want a pit bull son-of-a-b1tch!
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I built the (new) UCLA Law Library back in the 90's and saw first hand where they breed the lawyers. A most intense bunch to be sure! As much as I may have disdain for lawyers, I have to respect what they go through on their "paper chase".
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I built the (new) UCLA Law Library back in the 90's and saw first hand where they breed the lawyers. A most intense bunch to be sure! As much as I may have disdain for lawyers, I have to respect what they go through on their "paper chase".
I'll tell you a secret... if you have the knack for it, law school is not that tough. And having the knack doesn't necessarily mean you're a genius, it just means you've got the "touch" for it... like anything else, tap dancing, skeet shooting, bullshi*ting, or seeing advanced math concepts. If you've got the touch, it's a piece of cake, and if you don't, you can generally learn it. And like a lot of things in life, once you've done them you always say it was harder than it really was. But it is definitely not just smarts -- I know a couple of reasonably dumb guys that passed the bar, and I remember a guy that sat next to me in first year law that had an advanced degree in nuclear engineering... and he flunked out.
I'll tell you a secret... if you have the knack for it, law school is not that tough. And having the knack doesn't necessarily mean you're a genius, it just means you've got the "touch" for it... like anything else, tap dancing, skeet shooting, bullshi*ting, or seeing advanced math concepts. If you've got the touch, it's a piece of cake, and if you don't, you can generally learn it. And like a lot of things in life, once you've done them you always say it was harder than it really was. But it is definitely not just smarts -- I know a couple of reasonably dumb guys that passed the bar, and I remember a guy that sat next to me in first year law that had an advanced degree in nuclear engineering... and he flunked out.
Whenever I think of Patrick, I think, Patrick, "here's a dime, call your mother and tell her we have serious doubts about you becoming a lawyer."
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The Dean of my school taught Property Law and was very similar to that. I remember one day a girl had an honest-to-God mental breakdown in class from the Socratic Method and his questioning. It was actually kind of scary to watch. I think she dropped out... no, I think she came back and actually graduated, now that I think about it....
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At UCLA Law, there are actually chain link "cages" in the basement that students rent and lock up as their own and study day and night. Doing construction around them, I have seen my share of meltdowns!
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Maybe Denbeste bought them all
Yep, probably right. Now working there and fixing cars ten hours a day is real work. Just getting paid to think stuff up and then convince people you're right? I don't know....
Law School does not prepare you for the real practice of law. That is a whole new education and fraught with peril.
It is rare that a formal education properly prepares anyone for the vagaries of the real world, though the '0 to 60' in law is probably a lot faster once you've passed the bar than it is for entering many other fields of endeavour.
From the Shelby web site there are 11 authorized dealers in the US. Many of them may not even be active any more. I doubt that <10 is enough to make a class in the sense that most think of.
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I'm not a lawyer but I just read the complaint and a few things struck me.
Mr. Becker claims he earns 33% profit on each vehicle he sells. I seem to remember a thread a few years ago where he and other dealers implied their profit margin was very slim.
Part of the complaint references Nevada law regarding the sale of "vehicles". I wonder if that even applies since the SAI documents specifically and consistently call their product "Component Vehicles". I also wonder if this is going to open a can of worms regarding the sale of completed vehicles by either SAI or dealers.
The complaint identifies SAI's Director of Sales by name. Unfortunately they misspelled his name. How difficult is it to get that right?
Mr. Becker's current dealer agreement expires in July of this year. Any bets on renewing it?
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But it is definitely not just smarts -- I know a couple of reasonably dumb guys that passed the bar, and I remember a guy that sat next to me in first year law that had an advanced degree in nuclear engineering... and he flunked out.
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