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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys
I have facts. If you want facts call denbeste. Rich will answer all your questions. And this attitude that the info I was given can't be factual is exactly why it's not worth the bother. You see the greatest majority here wish pray and hope this project will be a dismal failure and are doing your best to make it so. The cars are being built. Get over it.
Keep speculating. It just helps prove that this the only unbiased cobra forum.
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Tony: No question there are some very biased people and some people motivated by nothing more than jealousy here. I have dealt with this for over 15 years here. No one knows better than me about this issue.
However, on the other hand there are some very fair minded people here and also some very knowledgeable people here. While I believe I am very fair minded and look for facts I don't profess to be an expert on these cars. Very knowledgeable? Perhaps compared to the average Joe but not an expert. We do have experts in the nitty gritty of these car who can comment fairly.
The biggest problem with these cars was the nomenclature used for them and awarding them a CSX 3000 vin. Regardless of the best inventory of parts, certified by every recognized expert on Shelby parts, and a certified build sheet and regardless if GOD himself built these cars they are not CSX 3000 cars and don't belong to that series. Period. CSX 3000 and CSX 2000 series belong to an era long gone and part of history. You can't try to change or modify history without criticism or ridicule.
David Kirkham was not afraid to air the facts he knew about these cars. He just could not answer a lot of questions posed. If you are going to build a "completion" car or a "competition" car and represent it has 100% all original parts and is dead nuts accurate and sell it for $500,000 + with a CSX 3000 vin... I think just maybe you might expect some questions from people in the Cobra community. No?
I would think if you are representing you are building such cars you would be willing to explain and provide facts and answer questions. Not run home with you ball because the game got a little rough. That just fuels cynicism and suspicion.
You didn't need permission to tell us what DenBeste told you unless you signed an NDA. I don't understand all this "cloak and dagger" nonsense. This is not doing any good for the project in the Cobra community as far as I'm concerned. The article even said to call if you want to know more "call". I guess well all have to "call" individually since you won't just tell us what you have been told? Come on. Sounds like you have your mind set on one of these cars. That's great. Not knocking it. Many here just have questions. At the end of the day I really don't care since I would never buy one of these cars for the three major reasons. One, I can't drive it on public roads legally as I understand. Am I wrong? Two, it has a CSX 3000 vin which is a canard and apocryphal and will never be accepted in IMHO by SAAC as a true CSX 3000 series Cobra, any owners of originals and the bulk of the Cobra hobby community will never accept them as true CSX 3000 vin Cobras.
UNLESS OF COURSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD SOMETHING???? If this is true what's the secret?
Here's what I am deducing so far. Maybe you can confirm or deny?
1. The cars are to be built on McClusky chassis built for the original "Completion" cars and have the CSX 3000 vins already stamped on them.
2. DeBeneste (and others?) have a stock pile of original parts they will bolt to these chassis.
3. Some bodies are made by McClusky some are Kirkham.
4. The cars will be built all to original spec as close as possible or if the customer does not want to pay for the "Full Monty" a lesser then 100% spec car can be built.
5. You can specify SC or comp spec.
6. I would hope someone is doing a detailed inventory of parts documenting there are sufficient original parts in all regards to build the remaining homologation run and providing a cross referenced build sheet.
7. The MSO's are all signed by Carroll at the time the original completion project was on the runway getting ready to take off.
8. This new project is a "revisiting" of that defunct and discredited "Completion" project with a new spin. The spin being they are now up front in saying the chassis are not real original CSX 3000 chassis but the cars are fitted with all original parts or at least the fully optioned ones.
9. This project is really the "inside out" of the old defunct one. The old defunct "Completion" project you were supposedly getting an original CSX 3000 chassis with most new parts to original or close to original spec. This project is the reverse. New chassis with old parts.
10. Both projects would/are still produce/ing a car that is not what it purports to be. A Cobra of the original CSX 3000 series. As I said GOD himself couldn't change that fact.
99% of my criticism would evaporate if they just re-Vined them with even a suffix to the Vin to identify it as a special sub group to make clear it is not an original chassis. Even "CSX 3077H" would sit better with me and explain more about this stash of parts and the inventory process and just what's there.
Would also love to see an original build sheet of a 100% car. Would be great thing for the hobby and the Cobra community to provide it.
Just say'n.
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