Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[twobjshelbys]

1. The cars are to be built on McClusky chassis built for the original "Completion" cars and have the CSX 3000 vins already stamped on them.
A: Yes

2. DeBeneste (and others?) have a stock pile of original parts they will bolt to these chassis.
A: Yes

3. Some bodies are made by McClusky some are Kirkham.
A: no

4. The cars will be built all to original spec as close as possible or if the customer does not want to pay for the "Full Monty" a lesser then 100% spec car can be built.
A: Customers don't get to choose. Earlier cars will have more original era parts until the supply is depleted then new or recreation parts will be used. The recipe will be in the build sheet.


5. You can specify SC or comp spec.
A: don't know but I think the press release said S/C

6. I would hope someone is doing a detailed inventory of parts documenting there are sufficient original parts in all regards to build the remaining homologation run and providing a cross referenced build sheet.
A: Your honor, is there a question here?

7. The MSO's are all signed by Carroll at the time the original completion project was on the runway getting ready to take off.
A: That is what I was told but that makes it heresay. Maybe you should ask the source so you get your own answer.

8. This new project is a "revisiting" of that defunct and discredited "Completion" project with a new spin. The spin being they are now up front in saying the chassis are not real original CSX 3000 chassis but the cars are fitted with all original parts or at least the fully optioned ones.
A: Your honor, the prosecution is pontificating. Is there a question here?

9. This project is really the "inside out" of the old defunct one. The old defunct "Completion" project you were supposedly getting an original CSX 3000 chassis with most new parts to original or close to original spec. This project is the reverse. New chassis with old parts.
A: Objection your honor. That question was asked and answered in a different form.

10. Both projects would/are still produce/ing a car that is not what it purports to be. A Cobra of the original CSX 3000 series. As I said GOD himself couldn't change that fact.
A: Objection. The prosecution is pontificating and making conclusions. Is there a question here

[NewYorkGuy]

what's the price?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

what's the price?

500k for first 3 cars (with 50K of that to the Museum, you can write it off).

As you can see there are two cars in the pipeline. Drew's car is done, David's car is "in paint". Third car expected after the first of the year. Prices after that are subject to adjustment.

My wife vetoed it. She hates Cobras.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

500k for first 3 cars (with 50K of that to the Museum, you can write it off).

Of course, there are AGI deductibility limitations with "write-offs", er, donations. Please consult with your tax advisor prior to purchase.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

1. The cars are to be built on McClusky chassis built for the original "Completion" cars and have the CSX 3000 vins already stamped on them.
A: Yes

2. DeBeneste (and others?) have a stock pile of original parts they will bolt to these chassis.
A: Yes

3. Some bodies are made by McClusky some are Kirkham.
A: no

4. The cars will be built all to original spec as close as possible or if the customer does not want to pay for the "Full Monty" a lesser then 100% spec car can be built.
A: Customers don't get to choose. Earlier cars will have more original era parts until the supply is depleted then new or recreation parts will be used. The recipe will be in the build sheet.


5. You can specify SC or comp spec.
A: don't know but I think the press release said S/C

6. I would hope someone is doing a detailed inventory of parts documenting there are sufficient original parts in all regards to build the remaining homologation run and providing a cross referenced build sheet.
A: Your honor, is there a question here?

7. The MSO's are all signed by Carroll at the time the original completion project was on the runway getting ready to take off.
A: That is what I was told but that makes it heresay. Maybe you should ask the source so you get your own answer.

8. This new project is a "revisiting" of that defunct and discredited "Completion" project with a new spin. The spin being they are now up front in saying the chassis are not real original CSX 3000 chassis but the cars are fitted with all original parts or at least the fully optioned ones.
A: Your honor, the prosecution is pontificating. Is there a question here?

9. This project is really the "inside out" of the old defunct one. The old defunct "Completion" project you were supposedly getting an original CSX 3000 chassis with most new parts to original or close to original spec. This project is the reverse. New chassis with old parts.
A: Objection your honor. That question was asked and answered in a different form.

10. Both projects would/are still produce/ing a car that is not what it purports to be. A Cobra of the original CSX 3000 series. As I said GOD himself couldn't change that fact.
A: Objection. The prosecution is pontificating and making conclusions. Is there a question here

Tony: Some of your objections would be sustained for sure. Good job. My bad.

Ok. Here are some better questions for the witness...

1. Are the cars to be Kirkham bodied?
2. Are the cars to be McClusky bodied?
3. Is there a master inventory being made.
4. Is that master inventory being cross referenced with the builds as the go to reflect dwindling inventory?
5. Does the buyer get a detailed build sheet?
6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?
7. Are all the MSO noted with the limitation "For closed course use/off road use only" or the equivalent?
8. Can we get a build sheet of one of the first cars posted here? Did you ask?
9. Is the master inventory and build sheets verified as to the original parts by a known and respected expert and if so who???

[twobjshelbys]

1. Are the cars to be Kirkham bodied?
A: some [one of the first two]
2. Are the cars to be McClusky bodied?
A: Neither of the first two.
3. Is there a master inventory being made.
A: The question is not clear. What do you mean by "master inventory"
4. Is that master inventory being cross referenced with the builds as the go to reflect dwindling inventory?
A: A build sheet will reflect components
5. Does the buyer get a detailed build sheet?
A: Don't know. [Opinion: I asked if they were being done but not if the owner will get one. I wouldn't know why not and if I were buying one I'd ask for it. Your honor I request that last statement be stricken from the record.]
6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?
A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?
7. Are all the MSO noted with the limitation "For closed course use/off road use only" or the equivalent?
A: I don't know. These MSOs are from the 90's era McClusky completions.
8. Can we get a build sheet of one of the first cars posted here? Did you ask?
A: I did not ask. [But I doubt they will share them with anyone except the owner. Ask the first buyer. Or become a buyer and ask for it before you purchase.]
9. Is the master inventory and build sheets verified as to the original parts by a known and respected expert and if so who???
A: Objection your honor, asks for an opinion. You're leading again. If you want to know ask Denbeste. I suspect you own a telephone.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

1. Are the cars to be Kirkham bodied?
A: some [one of the first two]
2. Are the cars to be McClusky bodied?
A: Neither of the first two.
3. Is there a master inventory being made.
A: The question is not clear. What do you mean by "master inventory"
4. Is that master inventory being cross referenced with the builds as the go to reflect dwindling inventory?
A: A build sheet will reflect components
5. Does the buyer get a detailed build sheet?
A: Don't know. [Opinion: I asked if they were being done but not if the owner will get one. I wouldn't know why not and if I were buying one I'd ask for it. Your honor I request that last statement be stricken from the record.]
6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?
A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?
7. Are all the MSO noted with the limitation "For closed course use/off road use only" or the equivalent?
A: I don't know. These MSOs are from the 90's era McClusky completions.
8. Can we get a build sheet of one of the first cars posted here? Did you ask?
A: I did not ask. [But I doubt they will share them with anyone except the owner. Ask the first buyer. Or become a buyer and ask for it before you purchase.]
9. Is the master inventory and build sheets verified as to the original parts by a known and respected expert and if so who???
A: Objection your honor, asks for an opinion. You're leading again. If you want to know ask Denbeste. I suspect you own a telephone.

Follow up if I may.

1. Who will be supplying the bodies for the rest of these cars after the first two builds?
2. Master inventory is just that. The master list of all the "original parts" utilized for this project. Not asking for opinion. Asking for fact. Objection overruled.
3. Will this master inventory if it is done or exist be updated to reflect dwindling supply.

I do own a phone but really don't care enough to call as I'm not interested in buying one of these cars for the price asked and have a basic idea of what they are doing and thought since you called you would share without an interrogation.

[twobjshelbys]

1. Who will be supplying the bodies for the rest of these cars after the first two builds?
A: The first two we know: Drew Serb and David Kirkham. It was not stated who is doing #3. So there are at least two sources.
2. Master inventory is just that. The master list of all the "original parts" utilized for this project. Not asking for opinion. Asking for fact. Objection overruled.
A: OK, then I'll speculate that the master list is on the bill of sale of the items from Carroll Shelby to Bill Denbeste. It's likely to be "tub of parts"
3. Will this master inventory if it is done or exist be updated to reflect dwindling supply.
A: Who knows how inventory will be managed by Denbeste. [Speculation: The results will be reflected in the build sheet for each car. At some point you'll see the build sheet for one car with "new old stock steering column" become "steering wheel column reproduced by xxx" or the like. As was speculated and explained, earlier cars will contain more original parts. Who knows what parts will not have enough to be original throughout. Maybe they will tell serious buyers. If you want to know when steering columns run out, call Denbeste.]

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?

A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

Wow, that is sweet but as explained in the other topic about the recently painted naked lady, black paint is also disallowed in my house. It started with my black Mercedes and when I got the Mustangs I knew it was an obsessive disorder - clean dust off, by the time you're done, it's dusty so start over. By the way, British Racing Green is dark enough that it was the same, except the Cobra was small enough I could take a break between passes.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Wow, that is sweet but as explained in the other topic about the recently painted naked lady, black paint is also disallowed in my house. It started with my black Mercedes and when I got the Mustangs I knew it was an obsessive disorder - clean dust off, by the time you're done, it's dusty so start over. By the way, British Racing Green is dark enough that it was the same, except the Cobra was small enough I could take a break between passes.

Buy it and ship it to McCluskey. Paint it any color you want.

When you pay $240K, probably less after negotiation, what's another $20K or whatever.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

That's a nice car no question. Depends which you would rather have. Mine is extensively more detailed and "correct" but if you want the "AC" connection you want the other one. Details are expensive and hard to do.

To me since neither is an original 3000 series chassis and both are genuine Shelbys one being a 1000 and the other a very early aluminum SAI 4000 which came with a lot more original details from the factory standard, personally it wouldn't matter to me. I would be happy with both.

Mine would take $240K to duplicate new and approximately 1.5 year wait... but we are talking a new car for that sum. Mine is 14 years old and has 8000 miles. If I sold it (which I have no plans to) I wouldn't ask $240K. Something less. Likely around $215K to $220K I think would be fair.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

That's a nice car no question. Depends which you would rather have. Mine is extensively more detailed and "correct" but if you want the "AC" connection you want the other one. Details are expensive and hard to do.

To me since neither is an original 3000 series chassis and both are genuine Shelbys one being a 1000 and the other a very early aluminum SAI 4000 which came with a lot more original details from the factory standard, personally it wouldn't matter to me. I would be happy with both.

Mine would take $240K to duplicate new and approximately 1.5 year wait... but we are talking a new car for that sum. Mine is 14 years old and has 8000 miles. If I sold it (which I have no plans to) I wouldn't ask $240K. Something less. Likely around $215K to $220K I think would be fair.

Since the AC connection is historical and they only made 14 of them, my personal opinion is that market would attach a premium to the CSX1000's, all other details being equal, which in this case they're not.

Certainly Hillbank has had almost new CSX4000's listed between $180-$200K and this CSX1000 with 21 miles or whatever is advertised at $240K.

[fordracing65]

A true collector would have every variety, then you could tell the story of why you can't drive one, why one is made of glass, why one is made from carbon fiber, why one is made of aluminum, why one has 50th ann badges, why one has a 4000 csx number, why the original one you have has a 3000 csx number and why the new one you just bought with all original parts except a few things here and there has a 3000 csx number, and on and on... And the how the stories will grow over time, I cant wait to see the barn finds in years to come and the huge tall tales of these cars, all of them...lol exhausting...

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

A $240,000 replica and they can't get the wipers to park on the correct side!
Larry