Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[twobjshelbys]

1. Are the cars to be Kirkham bodied?
A: some [one of the first two]
2. Are the cars to be McClusky bodied?
A: Neither of the first two.
3. Is there a master inventory being made.
A: The question is not clear. What do you mean by "master inventory"
4. Is that master inventory being cross referenced with the builds as the go to reflect dwindling inventory?
A: A build sheet will reflect components
5. Does the buyer get a detailed build sheet?
A: Don't know. [Opinion: I asked if they were being done but not if the owner will get one. I wouldn't know why not and if I were buying one I'd ask for it. Your honor I request that last statement be stricken from the record.]
6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?
A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?
7. Are all the MSO noted with the limitation "For closed course use/off road use only" or the equivalent?
A: I don't know. These MSOs are from the 90's era McClusky completions.
8. Can we get a build sheet of one of the first cars posted here? Did you ask?
A: I did not ask. [But I doubt they will share them with anyone except the owner. Ask the first buyer. Or become a buyer and ask for it before you purchase.]
9. Is the master inventory and build sheets verified as to the original parts by a known and respected expert and if so who???
A: Objection your honor, asks for an opinion. You're leading again. If you want to know ask Denbeste. I suspect you own a telephone.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

1. Are the cars to be Kirkham bodied?
A: some [one of the first two]
2. Are the cars to be McClusky bodied?
A: Neither of the first two.
3. Is there a master inventory being made.
A: The question is not clear. What do you mean by "master inventory"
4. Is that master inventory being cross referenced with the builds as the go to reflect dwindling inventory?
A: A build sheet will reflect components
5. Does the buyer get a detailed build sheet?
A: Don't know. [Opinion: I asked if they were being done but not if the owner will get one. I wouldn't know why not and if I were buying one I'd ask for it. Your honor I request that last statement be stricken from the record.]
6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?
A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?
7. Are all the MSO noted with the limitation "For closed course use/off road use only" or the equivalent?
A: I don't know. These MSOs are from the 90's era McClusky completions.
8. Can we get a build sheet of one of the first cars posted here? Did you ask?
A: I did not ask. [But I doubt they will share them with anyone except the owner. Ask the first buyer. Or become a buyer and ask for it before you purchase.]
9. Is the master inventory and build sheets verified as to the original parts by a known and respected expert and if so who???
A: Objection your honor, asks for an opinion. You're leading again. If you want to know ask Denbeste. I suspect you own a telephone.

Follow up if I may.

1. Who will be supplying the bodies for the rest of these cars after the first two builds?
2. Master inventory is just that. The master list of all the "original parts" utilized for this project. Not asking for opinion. Asking for fact. Objection overruled.
3. Will this master inventory if it is done or exist be updated to reflect dwindling supply.

I do own a phone but really don't care enough to call as I'm not interested in buying one of these cars for the price asked and have a basic idea of what they are doing and thought since you called you would share without an interrogation.

[twobjshelbys]

1. Who will be supplying the bodies for the rest of these cars after the first two builds?
A: The first two we know: Drew Serb and David Kirkham. It was not stated who is doing #3. So there are at least two sources.
2. Master inventory is just that. The master list of all the "original parts" utilized for this project. Not asking for opinion. Asking for fact. Objection overruled.
A: OK, then I'll speculate that the master list is on the bill of sale of the items from Carroll Shelby to Bill Denbeste. It's likely to be "tub of parts"
3. Will this master inventory if it is done or exist be updated to reflect dwindling supply.
A: Who knows how inventory will be managed by Denbeste. [Speculation: The results will be reflected in the build sheet for each car. At some point you'll see the build sheet for one car with "new old stock steering column" become "steering wheel column reproduced by xxx" or the like. As was speculated and explained, earlier cars will contain more original parts. Who knows what parts will not have enough to be original throughout. Maybe they will tell serious buyers. If you want to know when steering columns run out, call Denbeste.]

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?

A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

Wow, that is sweet but as explained in the other topic about the recently painted naked lady, black paint is also disallowed in my house. It started with my black Mercedes and when I got the Mustangs I knew it was an obsessive disorder - clean dust off, by the time you're done, it's dusty so start over. By the way, British Racing Green is dark enough that it was the same, except the Cobra was small enough I could take a break between passes.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Wow, that is sweet but as explained in the other topic about the recently painted naked lady, black paint is also disallowed in my house. It started with my black Mercedes and when I got the Mustangs I knew it was an obsessive disorder - clean dust off, by the time you're done, it's dusty so start over. By the way, British Racing Green is dark enough that it was the same, except the Cobra was small enough I could take a break between passes.

Buy it and ship it to McCluskey. Paint it any color you want.

When you pay $240K, probably less after negotiation, what's another $20K or whatever.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

That's a nice car no question. Depends which you would rather have. Mine is extensively more detailed and "correct" but if you want the "AC" connection you want the other one. Details are expensive and hard to do.

To me since neither is an original 3000 series chassis and both are genuine Shelbys one being a 1000 and the other a very early aluminum SAI 4000 which came with a lot more original details from the factory standard, personally it wouldn't matter to me. I would be happy with both.

Mine would take $240K to duplicate new and approximately 1.5 year wait... but we are talking a new car for that sum. Mine is 14 years old and has 8000 miles. If I sold it (which I have no plans to) I wouldn't ask $240K. Something less. Likely around $215K to $220K I think would be fair.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

That's a nice car no question. Depends which you would rather have. Mine is extensively more detailed and "correct" but if you want the "AC" connection you want the other one. Details are expensive and hard to do.

To me since neither is an original 3000 series chassis and both are genuine Shelbys one being a 1000 and the other a very early aluminum SAI 4000 which came with a lot more original details from the factory standard, personally it wouldn't matter to me. I would be happy with both.

Mine would take $240K to duplicate new and approximately 1.5 year wait... but we are talking a new car for that sum. Mine is 14 years old and has 8000 miles. If I sold it (which I have no plans to) I wouldn't ask $240K. Something less. Likely around $215K to $220K I think would be fair.

Since the AC connection is historical and they only made 14 of them, my personal opinion is that market would attach a premium to the CSX1000's, all other details being equal, which in this case they're not.

Certainly Hillbank has had almost new CSX4000's listed between $180-$200K and this CSX1000 with 21 miles or whatever is advertised at $240K.

[fordracing65]

A true collector would have every variety, then you could tell the story of why you can't drive one, why one is made of glass, why one is made from carbon fiber, why one is made of aluminum, why one has 50th ann badges, why one has a 4000 csx number, why the original one you have has a 3000 csx number and why the new one you just bought with all original parts except a few things here and there has a 3000 csx number, and on and on... And the how the stories will grow over time, I cant wait to see the barn finds in years to come and the huge tall tales of these cars, all of them...lol exhausting...

[mullen2]

FYI. The Hillbank CSX1020 car has no AC connection. Only CSX1001-CSX1013 were built by AC on AC tooling and body bucks by AC cars employees. I have been told NDM did the body on 1020. It has different shape than the AC body cobras. To the best of my knowledge after #13 AC Cars went to malta and pretty much was no more. AC heritage (Brooklands) now has all the remaining AC body bucks and tooling in their museum. They made a few bodies for Shelby as well as North Devon Craft after AC cars went away but I suspect this is why the CSX 1000 series stopped.

While CSX1020 is a english made body it is not on the original bucks,tooling, or by AC cars. The AC Body and Chassis on the earlier CSX1000 cars bring a premium vs the non AC built cars.

[REAL 1]

CSX 1000s do bring a premium and are more limited in number. What are they going for in general now? Where were most of them sold out of?

Also, I'm confused. If CSX 1020 it has no connection to AC Ltd why does it have a CSX 1000 vin?

Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

A true collector would have every variety, then you could tell the story of why you can't drive one, why one is made of glass, why one is made from carbon fiber, why one is made of aluminum, why one has 50th ann badges, why one has a 4000 csx number, why the original one you have has a 3000 csx number and why the new one you just bought with all original parts except a few things here and there has a 3000 csx number, and on and on... And the how the stories will grow over time, I cant wait to see the barn finds in years to come and the huge tall tales of these cars, all of them...lol exhausting...

One of the reasons I collect watches...

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Jamo

One of the reasons I collect watches...

Do you have a Paul Newman Rolex Daytona, original, or replica, or a kit watch from the US ebay market, or one from Asia, lol, I think it happens in everything...

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

A $240,000 replica and they can't get the wipers to park on the correct side!
Larry