Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

6. Is there any chance at all your wife will let you buy one if you promise to move to a state that will let you register it?

A: No, she hates Cobras of any kind. I may still get one though since I can see out of it (unlike the GT) but it won't be one of these, too much for my blood. That said, what do the CSX1000's sell for?

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

Wow, that is sweet but as explained in the other topic about the recently painted naked lady, black paint is also disallowed in my house. It started with my black Mercedes and when I got the Mustangs I knew it was an obsessive disorder - clean dust off, by the time you're done, it's dusty so start over. By the way, British Racing Green is dark enough that it was the same, except the Cobra was small enough I could take a break between passes.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Wow, that is sweet but as explained in the other topic about the recently painted naked lady, black paint is also disallowed in my house. It started with my black Mercedes and when I got the Mustangs I knew it was an obsessive disorder - clean dust off, by the time you're done, it's dusty so start over. By the way, British Racing Green is dark enough that it was the same, except the Cobra was small enough I could take a break between passes.

Buy it and ship it to McCluskey. Paint it any color you want.

When you pay $240K, probably less after negotiation, what's another $20K or whatever.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

That's a nice car no question. Depends which you would rather have. Mine is extensively more detailed and "correct" but if you want the "AC" connection you want the other one. Details are expensive and hard to do.

To me since neither is an original 3000 series chassis and both are genuine Shelbys one being a 1000 and the other a very early aluminum SAI 4000 which came with a lot more original details from the factory standard, personally it wouldn't matter to me. I would be happy with both.

Mine would take $240K to duplicate new and approximately 1.5 year wait... but we are talking a new car for that sum. Mine is 14 years old and has 8000 miles. If I sold it (which I have no plans to) I wouldn't ask $240K. Something less. Likely around $215K to $220K I think would be fair.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

That's a nice car no question. Depends which you would rather have. Mine is extensively more detailed and "correct" but if you want the "AC" connection you want the other one. Details are expensive and hard to do.

To me since neither is an original 3000 series chassis and both are genuine Shelbys one being a 1000 and the other a very early aluminum SAI 4000 which came with a lot more original details from the factory standard, personally it wouldn't matter to me. I would be happy with both.

Mine would take $240K to duplicate new and approximately 1.5 year wait... but we are talking a new car for that sum. Mine is 14 years old and has 8000 miles. If I sold it (which I have no plans to) I wouldn't ask $240K. Something less. Likely around $215K to $220K I think would be fair.

Since the AC connection is historical and they only made 14 of them, my personal opinion is that market would attach a premium to the CSX1000's, all other details being equal, which in this case they're not.

Certainly Hillbank has had almost new CSX4000's listed between $180-$200K and this CSX1000 with 21 miles or whatever is advertised at $240K.

[fordracing65]

A true collector would have every variety, then you could tell the story of why you can't drive one, why one is made of glass, why one is made from carbon fiber, why one is made of aluminum, why one has 50th ann badges, why one has a 4000 csx number, why the original one you have has a 3000 csx number and why the new one you just bought with all original parts except a few things here and there has a 3000 csx number, and on and on... And the how the stories will grow over time, I cant wait to see the barn finds in years to come and the huge tall tales of these cars, all of them...lol exhausting...

[mullen2]

FYI. The Hillbank CSX1020 car has no AC connection. Only CSX1001-CSX1013 were built by AC on AC tooling and body bucks by AC cars employees. I have been told NDM did the body on 1020. It has different shape than the AC body cobras. To the best of my knowledge after #13 AC Cars went to malta and pretty much was no more. AC heritage (Brooklands) now has all the remaining AC body bucks and tooling in their museum. They made a few bodies for Shelby as well as North Devon Craft after AC cars went away but I suspect this is why the CSX 1000 series stopped.

While CSX1020 is a english made body it is not on the original bucks,tooling, or by AC cars. The AC Body and Chassis on the earlier CSX1000 cars bring a premium vs the non AC built cars.

[REAL 1]

CSX 1000s do bring a premium and are more limited in number. What are they going for in general now? Where were most of them sold out of?

Also, I'm confused. If CSX 1020 it has no connection to AC Ltd why does it have a CSX 1000 vin?

Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car.

[mullen2]

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

CSX 1000s do bring a premium and are more limited in number. What are they going for in general now? Where were most of them sold out of?

Also, I'm confused. If CSX 1020 it has no connection to AC Ltd why does it have a CSX 1000 vin?

Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car.

The original batch of CSX1000 cars were ordered by Carroll personally from AC in England back in 2003 timeframe. The first one CSX1001 he kept and was his personal car titled and registered in his name, he later donated it to be raffled off to a lucky winner for his foundation.

It took a long time for AC cars ltd to make each body and chassis and customers who already paid for the cars were getting impatient. The relationship between Carroll and AC went south at some point and AC closed up shop and left England in 2006 to Malta.

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[mullen2]

Originally Posted by REAL 1 "Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car."



CSX3060 at Hillbank has a strange history. Not sure if it is even a Shelby. vin is really CSX30601 here is the story I was given by Hillbank a while back when I looked at it.

"This car was serial numbered CSX30601 by Brian when it was first built. The car was sold to a gentleman in Japan where the car was raced in Japan and Malaysia. In the 90's the car was shipped back to the US to be refurbished. Shortly after shipping the car to the US the Japanese owner was incarcerated and abandoned the Cobra. U.S. Customs Department removed the serial number tag and turned it over to the shipping company. They put it up for auction and it was purchased by a California resident who completely restored the car to concourse quality condition. The car was thought to be the Shelby continuation car "CSX3060" as in the '97 Shelby registry. It is stamped CSX30601 on the frame but the "1" and the end of the VIN number was hard to read. The car was sold in 2003 for over $400,000 to a very prominent collector of Shelby's and was in his world class museum ever since. Recently the owner of the real CSX3060 surfaced and the true story of this car came alive. This car is even talked about in the current Shelby registry.
This is truly more of a true original Shelby Cobra then the eight Shelby continuation cars that were built in the 90's and sold for over $500,000 new. Those cars were thought by the public to be built with original bodies and chassis left over from the original 60's production. The cars were not even built by Shelby, they were all contracted to be built by Mark McCluskey in Southern California. All the bodies and chassis were built by Mark in the 90's.

The body and chassis on this car was built in England by AC Cars Ltd using all of the original tooling used to build the original AC Cobras in the 60's. When this AC Cobra was restored in the 90's, they want above and beyond to make this car appear to be an authentic Shelby AC Cobra 427 S/C to anybody looking at it. Just to give you an example they used genuine Shelby pin-drive knock off wheels, Shelby wood steering wheel, original ford auxiliary fan motors, Lucas headlights, gauges, Goodyear Eagle racing tires, 36 gallon fuel tank etc. Even the wiring looms are done exactly like the original cars. This is perfect mirror image to the original Shelby AC Cobra 427S/C built in 1966 and is correct in every detail."

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

A true collector would have every variety, then you could tell the story of why you can't drive one, why one is made of glass, why one is made from carbon fiber, why one is made of aluminum, why one has 50th ann badges, why one has a 4000 csx number, why the original one you have has a 3000 csx number and why the new one you just bought with all original parts except a few things here and there has a 3000 csx number, and on and on... And the how the stories will grow over time, I cant wait to see the barn finds in years to come and the huge tall tales of these cars, all of them...lol exhausting...

One of the reasons I collect watches...

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Jamo

One of the reasons I collect watches...

Do you have a Paul Newman Rolex Daytona, original, or replica, or a kit watch from the US ebay market, or one from Asia, lol, I think it happens in everything...

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hillbank has CSX 1020 for sale right now for $240K:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...0-blak-BIG.jpg

Or you can build a CSX like Evan's for about $240K, which would you rather have?

A $240,000 replica and they can't get the wipers to park on the correct side!
Larry