Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[RodKnock]

[quote=REAL 1;1367208]

Originally Posted by Al G

Ooops. Yes, alas, Rodknock is finally correct. The Registry uses the word "authentic" not "genuine". See page 27 of the World Registry. I get confused between the two words likely because they are synonymous. The Registry also defines them as "current production Cobras". Page 30. It also states calling them "replicas" is a misuse of the word. Page 30.

SAAC website statement in or about 2008 in relevant part:

......As far as CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars are concerned, SAAC accepts these cars as genuine Shelby American Cobras (as opposed to "original" Shelby American Cobras). The definition we use to identify an original Cobra is one which was, 1) built between 1961 and 1968, 2) at the direction of and under contract from Carroll Shelby/Shelby American Inc., and 3) sold by Shelby American or one of its franchised dealers. The only difference between original Cobras and CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars is the time frame in which they were built....

SAAC website statement currently in relevant part:

In the 1990s and beyond, Shelby became aware of the increased interest and subsequent rise in value of the cars and began building another generation of them—both Cobras and Shelby Mustangs.

This should really spool up the Keystone cops.

Evan, you'll need to post the link. I can't find it.

The Registry also refers to your car as a true replica and Cobra-like. And then there's Ned's statements above. As well as your own stipulation that it's a replica. Modern Shelby Cobras are replicas. Not genuine or real or authentic, because a replica simply cannot be any of those. JUST NOT LOGICAL.

It's the Dolly The Sheep Analogy. It's a clone.

[REAL 1]

[quote=RodKnock;1367249]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Evan, you'll need to post the link. I can't find it.

The Registry also refers to your car as a true replica and Cobra-like. And then there's Ned's statements above. As well as your own stipulation that it's a replica. Modern Shelby Cobras are replicas. Not genuine or real or authentic, because a replica simply cannot be any of those. JUST NOT LOGICAL.

It's the Dolly The Sheep Analogy. It's a clone.

Rod Knock: You are just not getting this. You read and see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. That's OK. Its just you.

I'm not good at posting links but I have cut and pasted the relevant portions and even cited page numbers in the Registry that are more than clear. Please just read the Registry. It's all explained and in there. Your arguments are jejune at this juncture. This is not difficult stuff. The only reason I am clarifying as this thread goes along is to make sure any new visitors' to this cite researching the issue don't have the issue clouded by petty, envious, trite and hackneyed smears on the current production Cobras. That's all.

What Ned says or doesn't say is not determinative. His knowledge as to the original series doesn't make him an arbiter of the facts, the law, reality, Websters definition and what the Registry itself clearly says on the current production Cobras. No person can change that I don't care who they are. Period. The facts, the law, Websters and the Registry are very clear.

BTW, your posts are still one of the few I will read (completely skip over the others who post at 3rd grade levels with name calling and insults) even though your position is clearly erroneous since you don't stoop to 3rd grade levels in having to personally insult. You are entitled to disagree and have your view but its erroneous. That's all.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Rod Knock: You are just not getting this. You read and see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. That's OK. Its just you.

I'm not good at posting links but I have cut and pasted the relevant portions and even cited page numbers in the Registry that are more than clear. Please just read the Registry. It's all explained and in there. Your arguments are jejune at this juncture. This is not difficult stuff. The only reason I am clarifying as this thread goes along is to make sure any new visitors' to this cite researching the issue don't have the issue clouded by petty, envious, trite and hackneyed smears on the current production Cobras. That's all.

What Ned says or doesn't say is not determinative. His knowledge as to the original series doesn't make him an arbiter of the facts, the law, reality, Websters definition and what the Registry itself clearly says on the current production Cobras. No person can change that I don't care who they are. Period. The facts, the law, Websters and the Registry are very clear.

Evan, the irony here is that you're the one not getting this. You're the one reading and seeing what you want to see and hearing what you want to hear.

And that's OK with me. Its just you.

As Ned, the curator of the genuine AC/Shelby legacy, said, let's call "a spade a spade." Your car is NOT one of the 998. Those are THE genuine, authentic and real Cobras. By your own admission, you own a replica. Replicas cannot be genuine, authentic or real. LOGIC!

The Registry also contains words and phrases like "true replica" and "Cobra-like" for a reason. That language exists for a reason. And as Ned said, "certain liberties" were taken with the Shelby Cobra replicas. And I'm positive that all of those "certain liberties" will removed from the next edition of the Registry and no ambiguity will exist any longer.

You can't post a link? Seriously? Edit cut & paste is too difficult for you? Post a link or it doesn't exist.

Fake, fraud, facts and LOGIC. Your license plate is fraudulent. You do NOT own a real one. You're not one of the 998. Sorry, I hate to break it to ya. You have a kit car just like the rest of us.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Evan, the irony here is that you're the one not getting this. You're the one reading and seeing what you want to see and hearing what you want to hear.

And that's OK with me. Its just you.

As Ned, the curator of the genuine AC/Shelby legacy, said, let's call "a spade a spade." Your car is NOT one of the 998. Those are THE genuine, authentic and real Cobras. By your own admission, you own a replica. Replicas cannot be genuine, authentic or real. LOGIC!

The Registry also contains words and phrases like "true replica" and "Cobra-like" for a reason. That language exists for a reason. And as Ned said, "certain liberties" were taken with the Shelby Cobra replicas. And I'm positive that all of those "certain liberties" will removed from the next edition of the Registry and no ambiguity will exist any longer.

You can't post a link? Seriously? Edit cut & paste is too difficult for you? Post a link or it doesn't exist.

Fake, fraud, facts and LOGIC. Your license plate is fraudulent. You do NOT own a real one. You're not one of the 998. Sorry, I hate to break it to ya. You have a kit car just like the rest of us.

Yes, Ok. It's just me.

Ned is not the "curator" of the AC/Shelby legacy. Who anointed him with that title? You are really grasping at straws now. Ned can say whatever he choses to. He is not SAAC, nor does he speak for SAAC, nor does he say he speaks for SAAC and he certainly doesn't speak for SAAC on the issue being discussed. I would say he is just "slightly" biased" Its been 7 years since the last Registry came out and the litigation ended and 3 years since ol' Carroll's passed on. Nothing has changed in SAAC's position as to the current production Cobras.

Your misuse of terms at play and lack understanding of them is highlighted by the latest shining example which is the misuse of "curator". Ned is the Registar of the original series Cobras. He is very knowledgeable on that subject. Not debated here.

"Logic" is flawed when there is a failure to understand the underlying facts. Your logic is flawed based on your misunderstanding or misuse or twisting of facts and term definitions to suit your purpose. All I will keep saying is read the Registry. Its all there. Clear and concise. If you can't understand the Registry I am sorry, I just can't help you.

As to my license plate. It is 100% accurate and correct. Again, facts, law and Registry son, Registry. Its all explained in that book.

Keep spinning.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes, Ok. It's just me.

Ned is not the "curator" of the AC/Shelby legacy. Who anointed him with that title? You are really grasping at straws now. Ned can say whatever he choses to. He is not SAAC, nor does he speak for SAAC, nor does he say he speaks for SAAC and he certainly doesn't speak for SAAC on the issue being discussed. I would say he is just "slightly" biased" Its been 7 years since the last Registry came out and the litigation ended and 3 years since ol' Carroll's passed on. Nothing has changed in SAAC's position as to the current production Cobras.

Your misuse of terms at play and lack understanding of them is highlighted by the latest shining example which is the misuse of "curator". Ned is the Registar of the original series Cobras. He is very knowledgeable on that subject. Not debated here.

"Logic" is flawed when there is a failure to understand the underlying facts. Your logic is flawed based on your misunderstanding or misuse or twisting of facts and term definitions to suit your purpose. All I will keep saying is read the Registry. Its all there. Clear and concise. If you can't understand the Registry I am sorry, I just can't help you.

As to my license plate. It is 100% accurate and correct. Again, facts, law and Registry son, Registry. Its all explained in that book.

Keep spinning.

Yep, and that book also calls your CSX4206 "Cobra like" and a "true replica." Shelby just didn't like the term replica, so he called something else. It's a replica produced 30-50 years after the 998. Everything else is replica. And a replica is not genuine. And you admit you own a replica. That's LOGIC.

Yes, as you like to do with Rolex watches or Ferraris or the Mona Lisa, my analogy is that Ned, the SAAC Cobra Registrar is indeed the Curator of the 998. That's my position and you believe otherwise. I don't really care.

When the Registry changes, which I'm sure it will, all that ambigious language will be removed. Because, logically, you own a replica. Not real. Not authentic. Not genuine. If Carroll Shelby came back from the dead and told me that your car is a genuine Shelby Cobra, I'd say, with all the respect in the world, "B.S."

Here are the FACTS:

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The facts remain as follows: The cars that created the Cobra mystique - the 998 Cobras referred to as genuine, original, and legitimate - were built in the 1960's by the mutual partnership of AC Cars and Shelby American. Everything that followed was a copy in one form or another. Go down the list and name your brand, from Arntz to Butler to Contemporary, etc - they are all facsimiles of the original, and were marketed as such. Some are pretty good copies while some are less so. Regardless, if your Cobra-like automobile wasn't built in the 60's, it is not one of the 998 original cars, hence it must be something else. Such as a replica of one of the original Cobras. It simply can not be anything else, no matter how many different ways you attempt to spin it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

That's pretty much what everyone has acknowledged. The 60's Cobras are the original, authentic Cobras that define the term "real" in most peoples' minds when they ask the question, "Is that a real Cobra?" They are not asking how exact a copy of the 60's cars your car might be; they are asking, "Was it made in the 60's? Hence, is it a real Cobra?"

Facts, fraud, logic, Registry (ambigious with terms like Cobra-like and true replica).

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yep, and that book also calls your CSX4206 "Cobra like" and a "true replica." Shelby just didn't like the term replica, so he called something else. It's a replica produced 30-50 years after the 998. Everything else is replica. And a replica is not genuine. And you admit you own a replica. That's LOGIC.

Yes, as you like to do with Rolex watches or Ferraris or the Mona Lisa, my analogy is that Ned, the SAAC Cobra Registrar is indeed the Curator of the 998. That's my position and you believe otherwise. I don't really care.

When the Registry changes, which I'm sure it will, all that ambigious language will be removed. Because, logically, you own a replica. Not real. Not authentic. Not genuine. If Carroll Shelby came back from the dead and told me that your car is a genuine Shelby Cobra, I'd say, with all the respect in the world, "B.S."

Here are the FACTS:





Facts, fraud, logic, Registry (ambigious with terms like Cobra-like and true replica).

I just can't and won't waste my time with you any more. Waste of time.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I just can't and won't waste my time with you any more. Waste of time.

Ahh, that's too bad.

But don't go away angry, but just go away.

And we have some parting gifts for ya too. We have a home version of our game called "Facts, Fraud, Registry and Ned" for you to take home with you.

[fordracing65]

Evan, you read every post, don't lie about that and your car...

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Evan, you read every post, don't lie about that and your car...

I didn't lie. Don't read every post. Just some that provide comic relief like yours.

BTW seems like you have your definition of "lie" too. Why not. You guys have your own definition of lots of words. Why not that one also.