Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Cute. Again someone taking quotes out of context and in this case statements that only partially state what the Registry says. From a Registrar no less. I think you need to read more closely and maybe stick with classifying originals as "original", "original restored", "reconstructed" etc...and stick with the "Websters" deifinition of "replica" as used in your Clubs Registry. Perhaps your not familiar with the Webster's definition they utilized? See page 30 of the Registry. I'm sure you have one. There are numerous references in your club's Registry that make it clear the Continuation Cobras are not "replicas" and considered authentic Cobras.

Oh, btw, luckily Shelby's didn't continue production from 1968 onward or the "continued" production of 3000 cars would be "kits" under most DMV definitions and dictionary definitions. Imagine that.

Carroll chose the word "component" as it was needed to adhere to all the current Federal safety regulations and but of that need would not have used or chosen that term. See page 708 if you need help.

I'm good with "Current production Cobras" as defined in the Registry.

I'm taking nothing out of context nor giving partial statements. Go read the CSX 4000 Component car paragraph on page 708 again, which explains the CSX 4xxx series cars and why the registry chooses to refer to them as component cars. It's clear as it can be. Quote: "He did not want his cars devalued by using the term replica." Calling them component cars "suited his need to explain (mostly to various dmv authorities) that these cars were only components of a completed car - not the completed car itself, which would be required to adhere to all sorts of current stringent governmental safety regulations." So the choice was made to circumvent the dmv regulations.

And no matter how hard you may try to connect the original Cobras with your later replica, it can't be done. The originals were sold as complete cars through Ford dealers, not as component or kit cars. Imagining what might have happened if Shelby had continued production past 1968 is a meaningless exercise, but one that lawyers have become quite adept at.

It is apparent that if someone were to point out that your car is black, you would argue that it is charcoal; you twist things to suit your purpose. Call a CSX 4xxx a "current production Cobra" all you like. Just don't lump it in with the originals.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

I'm taking nothing out of context nor giving partial statements. Go read the CSX 4000 Component car paragraph on page 708 again, which explains the CSX 4xxx series cars and why the registry chooses to refer to them as component cars. It's clear as it can be. Quote: "He did not want his cars devalued by using the term replica." Calling them component cars "suited his need to explain (mostly to various dmv authorities) that these cars were only components of a completed car - not the completed car itself, which would be required to adhere to all sorts of current stringent governmental safety regulations." So the choice was made to circumvent the dmv regulations.

And no matter how hard you may try to connect the original Cobras with your later replica, it can't be done. The originals were sold as complete cars through Ford dealers, not as component or kit cars. Imagining what might have happened if Shelby had continued production past 1968 is a meaningless exercise, but one that lawyers have become quite adept at.

It is apparent that if someone were to point out that your car is black, you would argue that it is charcoal; you twist things to suit your purpose. Call a CSX 4xxx a "current production Cobra" all you like. Just don't lump it in with the originals.

So the truth again slips out. You don't want the Continuation Cobra connected to the originals. That was patently clear from you in the past and now. However, not you or anyone can take away the connection that does exist. Unfortunately for you they are connected, i.e. same manufacturer/company issuing a Shelby Cobra for sale separated by a period of years. Fact. In fact, not you or even your club can change that fact. Your club's Registry connects them to the extent they are connected and appropriately so. Deal with it. The facts are changing on that score.

You again run your colors up the mast by referring to my "replica" when your club's registry doesn't consider my car a "replica". In fact some aluminum Continuation values are not far off from your "COB's". Further, Continuation Cobras have more Shelby DNA and are more "genuine" Cobras than some rebodied originals and especially some "reconstructed" Originals. That must really irk you.

I've read page 708. Yes, CS had to describe them as "component" cars to circumvent federal regulations in order to sell a genuine spec Cobra. No way to manufacture or sell such a car today. Tell me you don't understand that. Now you go read page 29-31 to start.

I have twisted nothing. The Registry is very very clear. You are the one "twisting" to suit your purpose. You know damn well what the Registry says in multiple places regarding the fact the Continuation series are not considered replicas or kit cars and are in fact considered authentic Shelby Cobras. You just don't like it. Oh, well. Sit with your buddies on the committee and re-do it to say what you want it to say. No problem. Re-write it. Won't change the facts. Retracting logical, rational and factually correct statements and positions should do wonders for SAAC's credibility. However, it should make you feel better personally.

Oh, BTW your club took the position that the continuation Cobras were genuine Cobras just as the originals except separated by date of manufacture at least as early as 2004 a good 4 years before the litigation you claim occurred between CS and SAAC resulting in SAAC "taking liberties". What a bunch of hooey.

Don't worry about me "lumping" Continuation Cobras in with Originals. I stick to the facts. Why don't you stop lumping Continuation Cobras as "replicas" and stick to the Registry. I would think a registrar for SAAC would back his club's Registry viewed as a world wide authoritative text and the Club's statements instead of grinding his own personal axe to protect his own turf.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So the truth again slips out. You don't want the Continuation Cobra connected to the originals. That was patently clear from you in the past and now. However, not you or anyone can take away the connection that does exist. Unfortunately for you they are connected, i.e. same manufacturer/company issuing a Shelby Cobra for sale separated by a period of years. Fact. In fact, not you or even your club can change that fact. Your club's Registry connects them to the extent they are connected and appropriately so. Deal with it. The facts are changing on that score.

You again run your colors up the mast by referring to my "replica" when your club's registry doesn't consider my car a "replica". In fact some aluminum Continuation values are not far off from your "COB's". Further, Continuation Cobras have more Shelby DNA and are more "genuine" Cobras than some rebodied originals and especially some "reconstructed" Originals. That must really irk you.


I would think a registrar for SAAC would back his club's Registry viewed as a world wide authoritative text and the Club's statements instead of grinding his own personal axe to protect his own turf.

Evan, I don't link the current Cobras to the originals because, apart from their appearance and their use of the Shelby name, they aren't connected. AC Cars did not build them and they are far from exact copies. You say they are from the same manufacturer, and I ask - do you really understand what the F you are talking about? It's the same in name only, with different players, different manufacturing methods, and a different corporate structure. Same manufacturer? Only a fool would argue that. But if the shoe fits ...

As for my referring to your car as a replica, you read the definitions on one page, but fail to comprehend the bigger picture on the other pages that specifically deal with the CSX 4xxx cars. Such as SAAC's note on page 707 that explained how Shelby would compete with the other replica manufacturers directly "by building and selling a Cobra replica of his own." Charitably, SAAC decided to label the new Shelby cars as something other than replicas simply to differentiate them from other recreations that were already referred to as replicas, since Shelby was building them. Note that they also state the 4000-series cars were "built to more or less original 427 Cobra S/C standards." Still want to insist they are connected?

And don't make me laugh by mistaking exactly who is "grinding his own personal axe to protect his turf." All of us know that refers to YOU.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Evan, I don't link the current Cobras to the originals because, apart from their appearance and their use of the Shelby name, they aren't connected. AC Cars did not build them and they are far from exact copies. You say they are from the same manufacturer, and I ask - do you really understand what the F you are talking about? It's the same in name only, with different players, different manufacturing methods, and a different corporate structure. Same manufacturer? Only a fool would argue that. But if the shoe fits ...

As for my referring to your car as a replica, you read the definitions on one page, but fail to comprehend the bigger picture on the other pages that specifically deal with the CSX 4xxx cars. Such as SAAC's note on page 707 that explained how Shelby would compete with the other replica manufacturers directly "by building and selling a Cobra replica of his own." Charitably, SAAC decided to label the new Shelby cars as something other than replicas simply to differentiate them from other recreations that were already referred to as replicas, since Shelby was building them. Note that they also state the 4000-series cars were "built to more or less original 427 Cobra S/C standards." Still want to insist they are connected?

And don't make me laugh by mistaking exactly who is "grinding his own personal axe to protect his turf." All of us know that refers to YOU.

Ned: Not connected? Really. Your clubs registry states SAI has continued in existence since 1968. That's a fact. Carroll was connected with the original Cobras. But for him they wouldn't exist. So a Ferrari today is not a Ferrari because Enzo is dead and the employees who made Ferrari's in the 50's and 60's no longer are around and manufacturing processes are different etc...? Really???? Ok. That makes sense. That would apply to any manufacturer that was around back then and is around today. Talking about fools yours is a fools argument. Hey, if the shoe fits.

Who the hell needs AC? AC made the chassis and bodies for the original Shelby Cobra. The major design changes and improvement that made the Cobra a Cobra came at the direction of SAI. AC was the fabricator for the most part. SAI owns the rights to the name and marks and it was their name and mark back then and now. SAI historically also did plenty of fabrication then and now.

But for value I'd rather a have a current production Shelby Cobra. Much better car.

Whether the current production Cobras are exact to original standards or close is irrelevant. You and your friends can wallow in that minutia all day long. It matters not a wit to the issue.

And you will also note that your Clubs Registry notes expressly the current production Cobras as "authentic" Cobras and identifies them as such in more than one location. Very charitable indeed. Thank you. I guess they "charitably" did that in 2004 and right through the Registry. You also noted it was Shelby who referred to them for legal reasons as Component Cobras not SAAC. But for federal regulations Carroll would have not used "component" either. Go ahead look silly and tell me differently.

All we need is Shelby American for the current production Cobras. Don't need your charity either. We have the facts. If the majority of SAAC board members are like you and want to ignore history and ongoing history just drop the Continuation series from the club and Registry.

If your club is going to change it's stance to humor your own personal animus and bias don't be surprised that when your club looks to track the Continuation series and obtain info for it's next Registry continuation owners tell your club to kiss their asses. It's also a good way to alienate a lot of club members. But hey if it makes Ned the curator personally happy and if that's more important to your club then you guys go right ahead.

Won't change the facts though.

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. I am grinding an axe. It's clear. No qualms admitting it. I am protecting the current production Cobras from being knocked and demeaned from guys with sour grapes and pompous asses who only want the original series to be the only authentic Cobra on the block. You grind your axe. I'll grind mine.

P.S. I'd be willing to bet my Continuation Cobra will likely be worth near what your COB is in a few years. Must really burn your derriere.

P.S. P.S. This response if for the rest of you guys too. Can't respond to each of you. Too many here on this thread. I believe I covered though. Have a great day.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So a Ferrari today is not a Ferrari because Enzo is dead and the employees who made Ferrari's in the 50's and 60's no longer are around and manufacturing processes are different etc...? Really???? Ok. That makes sense. That would apply to any manufacturer that was around back then and is around today.

To take your Ferrari analogy, that you continue to use. If Ferrari were to stop delivering cars with engines and transmissions, and sold only kits, and the chassis was built by someone else, like say Google, and you put a ford in it.
Would that still be REAL Ferrari?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. I am grinding an axe. It's clear. No qualms admitting it. I am protecting the current production Cobras from being knocked and demeaned from guys with sour grapes and pompous asses who only want the original series to be the only authentic Cobra on the block. You grind your axe. I'll grind mine.

Again, No one is attacking the kits/cars, just the owners who are trying to pass them off as something they aren't.
Same thing would happen if a Kirkham, SPF, era, ff5 or other was trying to do the same


Ps. Stop playing the victim, You have too nice a replica to get any sympathy from me.

Pps. I really do admire the tenacity, stubbornness & effort to which you defend the indefensible.

Kind regards.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

To take your Ferrari analogy, that you continue to use. If Ferrari were to stop delivering cars with engines and transmissions, and sold only kits, and the chassis was built by someone else, like say Google, and you put a ford in it. Would that still be REAL Ferrari?

Again, No one is attacking the kits/cars, just the owners who are trying to pass them off as something they aren't. Same thing would happen if a Kirkham, SPF, era, ff5 or other was trying to do the same

Evan doesn't seem to understand that Ferrari doesn't make the 250, 330, 246, 308, 328, 348, 355, 360, etc. anymore. Ferarri sells new cars with new car warranties from their dealerships where you can drive off the showroom floor. All the while, dealership personnel will file the necessary paperwork with the DMW so you get your title in the mail in 30 days. No special inspections and no special exemptions for Federal safety and emissions to drive a new Ferrari on the road. Obviously, not the case with the Shelby Cobra replica. But you canbet he'll oince again bring up the analogy in a few pages just to try and wear us out.

He can't seem separate himself from his car. His car is beautiful, but for the rivet pattern and his misleading license plate.

And it's really nice of him to "slum it" with the Kirkham, ERA, BDR, SPF and FFR crowd.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ned: Not connected? Really. Your clubs registry states SAI has continued in existence since 1968. That's a fact. Carroll was connected with the original Cobras. But for him they wouldn't exist. So a Ferrari today is not a Ferrari because Enzo is dead and the employees who made Ferrari's in the 50's and 60's no longer are around and manufacturing processes are different etc...? Really???? Ok. That makes sense. That would apply to any manufacturer that was around back then and is around today. Talking about fools yours is a fools argument. Hey, if the shoe fits.

Who the hell needs AC? AC made the chassis and bodies for the original Shelby Cobra. The major design changes and improvement that made the Cobra a Cobra came at the direction of SAI. AC was the fabricator for the most part. SAI owns the rights to the name and marks and it was their name and mark back then and now. SAI historically also did plenty of fabrication then and now.

But for value I'd rather a have a current production Shelby Cobra. Much better car.

Whether the current production Cobras are exact to original standards or close is irrelevant. You and your friends can wallow in that minutia all day long. It matters not a wit to the issue.

And you will also note that your Clubs Registry notes expressly the current production Cobras as "authentic" Cobras and identifies them as such in more than one location. Very charitable indeed. Thank you. I guess they "charitably" did that in 2004 and right through the Registry. You also noted it was Shelby who referred to them for legal reasons as Component Cobras not SAAC. But for federal regulations Carroll would have not used "component" either. Go ahead look silly and tell me differently.

All we need is Shelby American for the current production Cobras. Don't need your charity either. We have the facts. If the majority of SAAC board members are like you and want to ignore history and ongoing history just drop the Continuation series from the club and Registry.

If your club is going to change it's stance to humor your own personal animus and bias don't be surprised that when your club looks to track the Continuation series and obtain info for it's next Registry continuation owners tell your club to kiss their asses. It's also a good way to alienate a lot of club members. But hey if it makes Ned the curator personally happy and if that's more important to your club then you guys go right ahead.

Won't change the facts though.

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. I am grinding an axe. It's clear. No qualms admitting it. I am protecting the current production Cobras from being knocked and demeaned from guys with sour grapes and pompous asses who only want the original series to be the only authentic Cobra on the block. You grind your axe. I'll grind mine.

P.S. I'd be willing to bet my Continuation Cobra will likely be worth near what your COB is in a few years. Must really burn your derriere.

P.S. P.S. This response if for the rest of you guys too. Can't respond to each of you. Too many here on this thread. I believe I covered though. Have a great day.

Off the deep end I'd say. You're so wrong, I don't even know where to start. You've reverted back to your made up history and opinion stage. So far beyond help that's it's hard for me to care now. Unbelievable!
Larry

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by LMH

Off the deep end I'd say. You're so wrong, I don't even know where to start. You've reverted back to your made up history and opinion stage. So far beyond help that's it's hard for me to care now. Unbelievable!
Larry

Of course I'm wrong. AC did it all. Came up the idea. Thought up all the needed changes and modifications. Shelby was just needed as a front man.

Lets keep it simple than shall we?. No Shelby no Cobra. Just a little Ace that's of little interest to automotive history.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ned: Not connected? Really. Your clubs registry states SAI has continued in existence since 1968. That's a fact. Carroll was connected with the original Cobras. But for him they wouldn't exist. So a Ferrari today is not a Ferrari because Enzo is dead and the employees who made Ferrari's in the 50's and 60's no longer are around and manufacturing processes are different etc...? Really???? Ok. That makes sense. That would apply to any manufacturer that was around back then and is around today. Talking about fools yours is a fools argument. Hey, if the shoe fits.

Who the hell needs AC? AC made the chassis and bodies for the original Shelby Cobra. The major design changes and improvement that made the Cobra a Cobra came at the direction of SAI. AC was the fabricator for the most part. SAI owns the rights to the name and marks and it was their name and mark back then and now. SAI historically also did plenty of fabrication then and now.

But for value I'd rather a have a current production Shelby Cobra. Much better car.

Whether the current production Cobras are exact to original standards or close is irrelevant. You and your friends can wallow in that minutia all day long. It matters not a wit to the issue.

And you will also note that your Clubs Registry notes expressly the current production Cobras as "authentic" Cobras and identifies them as such in more than one location. Very charitable indeed. Thank you. I guess they "charitably" did that in 2004 and right through the Registry. You also noted it was Shelby who referred to them for legal reasons as Component Cobras not SAAC. But for federal regulations Carroll would have not used "component" either. Go ahead look silly and tell me differently.

All we need is Shelby American for the current production Cobras. Don't need your charity either. We have the facts. If the majority of SAAC board members are like you and want to ignore history and ongoing history just drop the Continuation series from the club and Registry.

If your club is going to change it's stance to humor your own personal animus and bias don't be surprised that when your club looks to track the Continuation series and obtain info for it's next Registry continuation owners tell your club to kiss their asses. It's also a good way to alienate a lot of club members. But hey if it makes Ned the curator personally happy and if that's more important to your club then you guys go right ahead.

Won't change the facts though.

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. I am grinding an axe. It's clear. No qualms admitting it. I am protecting the current production Cobras from being knocked and demeaned from guys with sour grapes and pompous asses who only want the original series to be the only authentic Cobra on the block. You grind your axe. I'll grind mine.

P.S. I'd be willing to bet my Continuation Cobra will likely be worth near what your COB is in a few years. Must really burn your derriere.

P.S. P.S. This response if for the rest of you guys too. Can't respond to each of you. Too many here on this thread. I believe I covered though. Have a great day.

Got to love a guy who tells the worlds foremost expert on Cobras and their history how wrong he is! Go Evan!
Larry

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by LMH

Got to love a guy who tells the worlds foremost expert on Cobras and their history how wrong he is! Go Evan!
Larry

This is simply pointing out the obvious, but all Evan has taught anyone is how to be obstinate, selective in one's statement of the facts, and twist reality to suit his agenda. Both the registry and the SAAC website clearly state the later Shelby-built Cobras are replicas of the 60's icon, but Evan focuses only on the club's decision to call them something else to help distinguish them from other replicas.

Face the facts: a car built to copy something built by a different company some 35 years earlier with different tooling and materials in a dissimilar manner on a different continent with an entirely different corporate structure, clearly can't be the same as the original. The story of Pinocchio was a fable, and even though a fairy princess turned a bundle of sticks into a "real, live, boy,"no fairy can turn a 2001 Shelby Cobra into a real 1965 AC-Shelby Cobra.

But if and when it happens, please let us know.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

This is simply pointing out the obvious, but all Evan has taught anyone is how to be obstinate, selective in one's statement of the facts, and twist reality to suit his agenda. Both the registry and the SAAC website clearly state the later Shelby-built Cobras are replicas of the 60's icon, but Evan focuses only on the club's decision to call them something else to help distinguish them from other replicas.

Face the facts: a car built to copy something built by a different company some 35 years earlier with different tooling and materials in a dissimilar manner on a different continent with an entirely different corporate structure, clearly can't be the same as the original. The story of Pinocchio was a fable, and even though a fairy princess turned a bundle of sticks into a "real, live, boy,"no fairy can turn a 2001 Shelby Cobra into a real 1965 AC-Shelby Cobra.

But if and when it happens, please let us know.

I suspect his agenda is to raise the resale value of his car by blurring the line between originals and late CSX cars. Historical significance and facts don't matter. The silly part is, why would someone spend $200,000 plus on a car like his when you can buy a new one to this day for far less.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

This is simply pointing out the obvious, but all Evan has taught anyone is how to be obstinate, selective in one's statement of the facts, and twist reality to suit his agenda. Both the registry and the SAAC website clearly state the later Shelby-built Cobras are replicas of the 60's icon, but Evan focuses only on the club's decision to call them something else to help distinguish them from other replicas.

Face the facts: a car built to copy something built by a different company some 35 years earlier with different tooling and materials in a dissimilar manner on a different continent with an entirely different corporate structure, clearly can't be the same as the original. The story of Pinocchio was a fable, and even though a fairy princess turned a bundle of sticks into a "real, live, boy,"no fairy can turn a 2001 Shelby Cobra into a real 1965 AC-Shelby Cobra.

But if and when it happens, please let us know.

Beautiful.

And can you PLEASE include Tony (twobjshelbys) in your next post here? He's replicating Evan now.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

You say they are from the same manufacturer, and I ask - do you really understand what the F you are talking about? It's the same in name only, with different players, different manufacturing methods, and a different corporate structure. Same manufacturer? Only a fool would argue that. But if the shoe fits ...

Sorry, Ned, I see now that you addressed what I later posted, regarding the majority (75%) of the SA being purchased by a company called Venture, because SA was having cash flow problems. And then several years later, the new corporate structure must have taken the company public in order to get some or all of their equity returned. Page 710 in the Registry.

And please ignore Evan. Your COB is far more desirable than his replica. And his CSX4000 or any other Shelby replica will never be worth the same as your COB. He obviously says this BS in order to get under your skin, it's part of his "schtick."

The facts are that Evan chooses to ignore that the original SA company no longer exists, the material used in the modern Shelby replicas are completely different than the originals, the current "certain liberties were taken" Registry mentions that the Shelby CSX4000 is "Cobra-like" and a "true replica" and the SAAC website statement was revised the delete any reference to "real", "authentic" or "genuine."

It's a rebadged Kirkham with a CSX plaque and for that privilege (the badges and plaque) you get to pay an addtional $65,000 (difference between Kirkham and an alloy 50th Anniversary Edition). And somehow that makes sense to some people.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And please ignore Evan. Your COB is far more desirable than his replica. And his CSX4000 or any other Shelby replica will never be worth the same as your COB. He obviously says this BS in order to get under your skin, it's part of his "schtick."

Well this may or may not be true, but it's really irrelevant to the point.
I could care less if a replica is worth more than an original.
It wouldn't be the first time. The Kirkham billet cobra for example comes to mind.

I'd lay more for that than an original.
All you need to find is the right fool to part with their money.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Well this may or may not be true, but it's really irrelevant to the point.

I could care less if a replica is worth more than an original.
It wouldn't be the first time. The Kirkham billet cobra for example comes to mind.

I'd lay more for that than an original.
All you need to find is the right fool to part with their money.

It's relevant to me, since Evan seems to want to keep insulting Ned's COB.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

In fact some aluminum Continuation values are not far off from your "COB's".

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Who the hell needs AC? AC made the chassis and bodies for the original Shelby Cobra. The major design changes and improvement that made the Cobra a Cobra came at the direction of SAI. AC was the fabricator for the most part. SAI owns the rights to the name and marks and it was their name and mark back then and now. SAI historically also did plenty of fabrication then and now.
But for value I'd rather a have a current production Shelby Cobra. Much better car.

P.S. I'd be willing to bet my Continuation Cobra will likely be worth near what your COB is in a few years. Must really burn your derriere.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Unfortunately for you they are connected, i.e. same manufacturer/company issuing a Shelby Cobra for sale separated by a period of years. Fact.

The Registry is very very clear.

Yes, the Registry is clear. And you're wrong again. You obviously haven't read the Registry and then you have the audacity to tell others, like Ned and I, that we haven't.

The company isn't the same as the company in the 1960's. In the late 1990's, Shelby American experienced difficulties, aka, cash flow problems. A company called Venture Industries purchased 75% (A MAJORITY STAKE) of Shelby American. Shelby retained 25% and was able to continue production of the CSX4000 replicas. The new company name was Shelby Automobiles. The cash infusion also helped the Series 1 production. And around 2003, the new company went public as CSBI, Carroll Shelby International.

So STOP saying it's the same company. It's not. Read page 710. And the gap in production was from roughly 1965-1995 or 30 years.

Different materials, different companies, 30-year gap and they're sold as kits, not complete legal and register-able cars like in 1965. Not genuine, not authentic, not a real Shelby. REPLICA!

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, the Registry is clear. And you're wrong again. You obviously haven't read the Registry and then you have the audacity to tell others, like Ned and I, that we haven't.

The company isn't the same as the company in the 1960's. In the late 1990's, Shelby American experienced difficulties, aka, cash flow problems. A company called Venture Industries purchased 75% (A MAJORITY STAKE) of Shelby American. Shelby retained 25% and was able to continue production of the CSX4000 replicas. The new company name was Shelby Automobiles. The cash infusion also helped the Series 1 production. And around 2003, the new company went public as CSBI, Carroll Shelby International.

So STOP saying it's the same company. It's not. Read page 710. And the gap in production was from roughly 1965-1995 or 30 years.

Different materials, different companies, 30-year gap and they're sold as kits, not complete legal and register-able cars like in 1965. Not genuine, not authentic, not a real Shelby. REPLICA!

Bzzzt. Shelby has operated and fontinues to operate under the same manufacturers license. Same company.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Bzzzt. Shelby has operated and fontinues to operate under the same manufacturers license. Same company.

I'll be Evan for one second. Read the Registry. Page 710. Ownership has changed at least twice. Shelby gave up majority ownership. Different company.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

And no matter how hard you may try to connect the original Cobras with your later replica, it can't be done. The originals were sold as complete cars through Ford dealers, not as component or kit cars. Imagining what might have happened if Shelby had continued production past 1968 is a meaningless exercise, but one that lawyers have become quite adept at.

He just writes these grand dissertations and hopes people believe his line of BS. I hope others don't fall for his make-believe world.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

-SAAC issues statement sometime near and prior to 2004 stating their position. LONG before litigation SAAC has with Shelby in 2008. Statement makes clear that second series are genuine Cobras but not part of original series. Only difference between original Shelby and current production is years of manufacture. They are not considered "replicas" by SAAC as that term has now been misused and now commonly understood.
-SAAC 4th Edition of World Registry carries that statement position forward in 2008/9 and further explains common misuse of term "replica" as defined by Websters. SAAC acknowledges the widespread misuse and incorrect meaning now commonly used but says can't put the "toothpaste back in the tube". Point being non Shelbys are not "replicas" but merely cars that look like Cobras but really not. A "bootleg" to use a euphemism. SAAC notes that technically only the continuation Cobras are "replicas" i.e. true replicas as defined by Websters, i.e. an item or work reissued by the original artist or maker.

There are no facts, other than your car is not 1 of the 998. You're just dazzling everyone with BS. Pure supposition about the events of a decade ago. You weren't there and Ned was. And Ned said "certain liberties were taken" with the Registry. He contributed to writing it and you didn't.

The point is not what happened a decade ago, even though you're making S up, but what's happening today. And today, the SAAC website has been revised to eliminate any words like genuine, real, or authentic as it relates to the Shelby replica. You can live in the past, but SAAC will revise/delete the Shelby replicas from the 5th Edition of the World Registry. I can't wait.

And the current Registry also calls the Shelby replica "Cobra like" and a "true replica." It's all there in black and white.

You have a genuine Shelby REPLICA.

BTW, I love the line where you say, and I'm paraphrasing, "if the genuine 998 weren't built today, then they would be kits cars." Hey, instead, why not say "if the AMC Gremlin were built today, then it would be a kit car." Wow, that's got to be one of the funniest BS you've ever spewed out here on the forum.

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

He just writes these grand dissertations and hopes people believe his line of BS. I hope others don't fall for his make-believe world.



There are no facts, other than your car is not 1 of the 998. You're just dazzling everyone with BS. Pure supposition about the events of a decade ago. You weren't there and Ned was. And Ned said "certain liberties were taken" with the Registry. He contributed to writing it and you didn't.

The point is not what happened a decade ago, even though you're making S up, but what's happening today. And today, the SAAC website has been revised to eliminate any words like genuine, real, or authentic as it relates to the Shelby replica. You can live in the past, but SAAC will revise/delete the Shelby replicas from the 5th Edition of the World Registry. I can't wait.

And the current Registry also calls the Shelby replica "Cobra like" and a "true replica." It's all there in black and white.

You have a genuine Shelby REPLICA.

BTW, I love the line where you say, and I'm paraphrasing, "if the genuine 998 weren't built today, then they would be kits cars." Hey, instead, why not say "if the AMC Gremlin were built today, then it would be a kit car." Wow, that's got to be one of the funniest BS you've ever spewed out here on the forum.

Yes, we know your position. I'm not getting on your merry go round from hell.

You again have not read or comprehended what I have said. Can't waste my time responding to you. It's futile.