Latest EPA Proposal

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by *13*

I'm glad people spend tax dollars to go after insignificant hobbyists. I suppose we are just an easy target? Signed

Let me tell you why they do that. I live in northern Ohio and we have to have our cars emissions checked. Our state capital, Columbus, which is now bigger than Cleveland does not.

See, here is how it works. The EPA is required to keep the air, water, etc clean. There really isn't a defined way they have to do it, they just have to do it. So our state decides to exempt the largest polluters from emissions. Now, the air is still dirty, so the EPA has to keep moving down the totem pole to get the air clean. Next thing you know, they are attacking your BBQ grill in the back yard while the smokestack from the steel processing plant a mile away blankets your house with soot is still exempt.

Ohio is ranked #1 in toxic air pollution from coal fired power plants. I have to have my car checked for emissions because our state representatives get huge campaign donations from the utilities. The state says my 2010 car pollutes too much. But the coal plant? Not so much.

[1795]

Tell me about it We have beautiful lakes that have gone dead from acid rain coming this way from Ohio coal fired plants

[Ron61]

It is the same out here in California. We have a fiberglass plant here that no one wanted and voted against it. They went to our crooked politicians and paid them and they made the county let them put it in, also free of any taxes for two years. It puts out more pollution every year than all of the cars in half of the state put together and people get sick that live close to it. They tried to sue to make them fix the filters and the Govts. answer was for them to move away and then they sold them, the right last year to increase the amount of crap they can dump into the sir by 5 times. Cleaning up the air in this state has nothing to do with the EPA or any other outfit. It is all about how much money they will pay our politicians to let them keep on dumping more into the air.

Ron

[*13*]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

Let me tell you why they do that. I live in northern Ohio and we have to have our cars emissions checked. Our state capital, Columbus, which is now bigger than Cleveland does not.

See, here is how it works. The EPA is required to keep the air, water, etc clean. There really isn't a defined way they have to do it, they just have to do it. So our state decides to exempt the largest polluters from emissions. Now, the air is still dirty, so the EPA has to keep moving down the totem pole to get the air clean. Next thing you know, they are attacking your BBQ grill in the back yard while the smokestack from the steel processing plant a mile away blankets your house with soot is still exempt.

Ohio is ranked #1 in toxic air pollution from coal fired power plants. I have to have my car checked for emissions because our state representatives get huge campaign donations from the utilities. The state says my 2010 car pollutes too much. But the coal plant? Not so much.

Oh yes, I'm well aware. I worked for a Foundry in Los Angeles. ever hear of SB100 ? . If that state doesn't have messed up priorities, I don't know who's does...

[keezling]

I don't think they know who they're screwing with. Last time they tried this in the '70's I wasn't above installing a "ringer" engine to pass inspection and putting the real engine back in when I got home or having a complete exhaust system which could be installed quickly for a fix it ticket. How can they keep track of 2,000,000+ cars all the time? Answer, they CAN'T! Anybody for a flat head powered Cobra?

[Rjw289]

Sierra Club well known here in the Pacific NW. Tree huggers driving Priuses in the left lane going 50mph on the freeway.

[DanEC]

Write your Congressman also (I just did). Although as a regulation this wouldn't normally go through a House/Senate vote they can bring a lot of pressure on EPA.

Fortunately we have a Freshman Senator here is Arkansas that loves nothing better than throwing road blocks in front of stupid, progressive Government actions. I think he was the sole Senate vote against the plan last year to allow the House/Senate to vote on the Iran deal (a simple majority vote). Everyone criticized him and questioned how he could be against Congress voting on Obama's agreement. His comment - it's a treaty - should be voted on as a treaty. And we all know how that all turned out.

[DanEC]

Judge Scalia passed away today. About the worst thing I can think of happening this year, at least up until the election. If the EPA final rule ends up in the courts now - could be a bad outcome for our hobby.

[CHANMADD]

This is ridiculous.......politicians creating jobs. This would destroy people like Summit, and every job related to the aftermarket.This is like a traitor undermining our lives......

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by CHANMADD

This is ridiculous.......politicians creating jobs. This would destroy people like Summit, and every job related to the aftermarket.This is like a traitor undermining our lives......

How so? I visit another web site and these guys are modifying their street engines like there is no tomorrow. Technically, it is illegal to tamper with any emissions equipment, but they have no problem doing it on street driven vehicles. And these are new cars. Not old stuff.

This law potentially states you cannot take a street car and remove the emissions to turn it into a race car. Do you REALLY think all the engines, intakes, cams, heads, etc are all going on race cars converted from street cars? My car is titled as a 2000 model and it is 100% exempt from emissions.

[CHANMADD]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

How so? I visit another web site and these guys are modifying their street engines like there is no tomorrow. Technically, it is illegal to tamper with any emissions equipment, but they have no problem doing it on street driven vehicles. And these are new cars. Not old stuff.

This law potentially states you cannot take a street car and remove the emissions to turn it into a race car. Do you REALLY think all the engines, intakes, cams, heads, etc are all going on race cars converted from street cars? My car is titled as a 2000 model and it is 100% exempt from emissions.

If they pass what they want ....no one will be modifying any race car engines. You will be racing factory sealed smog legal with cats or you will not get on the track...that's what I read.....

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by CHANMADD

If they pass what they want ....no one will be modifying any race car engines. You will be racing factory sealed smog legal with cats or you will not get on the track...that's what I read.....

My point was people are modifying everything now and these are not race cars at all. I thought they were just trying to attack the weekend racer that drives his car to work Monday through Friday with no cats, killer cam, and all the other goodies.

>>>Yep......and this "natural"gas you just stick a pipe in the ground for.......straight destroys the underground water and not to mention how destabilizing it is for the earths surface........that's the part we live on.
.Every where there is fracking......the locals have to move ........or die........lovely....
Politicians at their best.......!! <<<

Oh come on! Just because Oklahoma now has more earthquakes than California means nothing! I am not worried about the fracking, I am worried about the injection wells where they pump in all the crap left over. A LOT less is being said about this upcoming nightmare than the actual fracking!

>>>Tree huggers don't think further than the hug.......<<<

My guess would be the NIMBY crowd that wants everything for the cheapest price possible. They ***** about losing jobs to China, then run to WalMart to buy everything.

[twobjshelbys]

Be it known that the only way this crap happens is because the people who dreamed it up were appointed by the people who were elected. That would be the same crowd that has deemed coal to be an inappropriate fuel and will eliminate an entire industry in the next 10 years. This can be fixed in November.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Be it known that the only way this crap happens is because the people who dreamed it up were appointed by the people who were elected. That would be the same crowd that has deemed coal to be an inappropriate fuel and will eliminate an entire industry in the next 10 years. This can be fixed in November.

What you are hearing is the ramifications of cheap clean natural gas taking over the coal industry. Logistically speaking, getting coal from the ground to the power plant is a huge undertaking. Compare that to NG where you pop a hole in the ground, hook the gas line up to the main, and it is ready to go. Add to that Europe was a huge buyer of US coal, but in the last few years, they have stopped buying due to the air quality issues. What you are hearing about has more to do with the coal industry asking for massive handouts from the government to prop up their industry so market forces don't put them out of business. Coal production has dropped in the last 7 years, but that is more related to natural gas production being up. We are still putting out more coal that we did 20 years ago.

[Ron61]

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

[*13*]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

Has a lot to do with the CALIFORNIA in your zipcode. In a State like Vermont they just check to make sure your car is roadworthy. & they do it yearly. Talk about a scam.... Still not as bad as CA, though.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

My car came from California originally and had SB100 certification. That being said, you can buy Collectors plates that avoid all emissions testing. It is still illegal to remove emissions equipment, but they do not check. When I bought my plates, you just sent a picture to the BMV and they would decide whether it was worthy or not. Now, you have to have receipts stating you spent $5000 or more modifying the car to get Collectors plates. If the car is more than 25 years old, you can get Historical Vehicle plates that are good for 35 years and cost about $35. Then you are exempt from everything but insurance, although you are only suppose to drive the car 1000 miles to less and it cannot be a daily driver. You can even take 1965 license plates and use those as the Historical Plates.

[Ron61]

I have a 1969 NASCAR Cobra that has had Historical Plates on it for many years and nothing was changed to get them. My Coupe is under the SB-100, but they are trying to get rid of that in several ways. I have a 3,000 mile per year limit on my Historical Plates, but I never get close to that as I have to run Racing Gas in the car and also it still has the original Polyglass tires on it from 1969 and I don't like to drive on them a lot.

Ron

Originally Posted by joyridin'

My car came from California originally and had SB100 certification. That being said, you can buy Collectors plates that avoid all emissions testing. It is still illegal to remove emissions equipment, but they do not check. When I bought my plates, you just sent a picture to the BMV and they would decide whether it was worthy or not. Now, you have to have receipts stating you spent $5000 or more modifying the car to get Collectors plates. If the car is more than 25 years old, you can get Historical Vehicle plates that are good for 35 years and cost about $35. Then you are exempt from everything but insurance, although you are only suppose to drive the car 1000 miles to less and it cannot be a daily driver. You can even take 1965 license plates and use those as the Historical Plates.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

Ron - that's one of the consequences of this pending EPA rule that will probably end the great little deal we have going for us in Arkansas right now. We don't have emissions testing or safety inspections for any year vehicles - they were abolished by Huckabee back around 2000 as a waste and scam industry by the stations doing the checks. Collector vehicles over 25 years old can purchase a one-time plate for about $12 which never has to be re-newed. So basically we are just left alone.

I know in this day and age this leniency almost seems decadent but it's such a relief to not have to take my vehicles down every year and hand it over to some greasy mechanic or kid to screw around with that I don't think I could go back - I would just have to sell out.

I still remember when every year I would go in for a safety inspection and this inspector would every year tell me my head lights were out of adjustment and he would have to adjust them for an extra charge and the next evening I would find them pointing up in trees and in on-coming drivers windshields. So, I would go home and re-adjust them on the garage door - only to have to go through the same thing the following year again.

[Ron61]

Dan,

That is what my cousin up in Omaha has told me. That crap is just a rip off out here too as they let the big companies just keep dumping stuff into the air. This state is not anything like the state that I knew from 50 years ago. If I wasn't so old and my health so bad I would really be looking to move out of here.

Ron

Originally Posted by DanEC

Ron - that's one of the consequences of this pending EPA rule that will probably end the great little deal we have going for us in Arkansas right now. We don't have emissions testing or safety inspections for any year vehicles - they were abolished by Huckabee back around 2000 as a waste and scam industry by the stations doing the checks. Collector vehicles over 25 years old can purchase a one-time plate for about $12 which never has to be re-newed. So basically we are just left alone.

I know in this day and age this leniency almost seems decadent but it's such a relief to not have to take my vehicles down every year and hand it over to some greasy mechanic or kid to screw around with that I don't think I could go back - I would just have to sell out.

I still remember when every year I would go in for a safety inspection and this inspector would every year tell me my head lights were out of adjustment and he would have to adjust them for an extra charge and the next evening I would find them pointing up in trees and in on-coming drivers windshields. So, I would go home and re-adjust them on the garage door - only to have to go through the same thing the following year again.