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06-21-2016, 07:53 PM
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What about the driveshaft yoke barely hanging off the back of the transmission in photo #4 ???
Somebody put a lot of time into that 25K car.
JMO
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06-22-2016, 12:04 PM
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Here's the VIN # in the ad: 5F07C735272
Isn't this a VIN # for a 1965 2-bbl Hardtop Mustang? If I were a buyer, I'd be curious if you could use this VIN # for registration or not. I'm not sure you could in CA.
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06-22-2016, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
Here's the VIN # in the ad: 5F07C735272
Isn't this a VIN # for a 1965 2-bbl Hardtop Mustang? If I were a buyer, I'd be curious if you could use this VIN # for registration or not. I'm not sure you could in CA.
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Good catch! I missed that one. That is indeed a s/n for a '65 289 2v. I thought FFR issued their own VIN numbers. Maybe I'm wrong. Regardless, it would appear that the car made it through registration since it's being driven (in that State). 
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06-22-2016, 01:19 PM
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Well, it's stamped in the frame so it must be legit. 
Isn't it amazing how things evolve online once the light shines on something? Any legal types here know the ins and outs of putting a mustang vin on another car? This pic is from the vanguard site. I didn't think FFR put their numbers on the Xbrace?
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06-22-2016, 01:40 PM
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Is the "7" in the 6th character slot correct for an early Mustang? I thought they were 1's or 2's maybe. "7" seems wrong for a 1965 Mustang. I can't remember anymore, it's been so long since I've owned one. |
06-22-2016, 01:52 PM
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According to my book straight from Ford for 63-65, the serial numbers read as follows by digit numbers from left to right...
Model Year
Assembly Plant
Body Serial Code
Engine Code
The remaining numbers are the consecutive unit number
Now an original car ID Plate would also have numbers on the top of the plate identifying body type, color code, trim code, date code, rear axle and trans codes.
This number being discussed is the serial number...
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06-22-2016, 02:06 PM
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Here you go...
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06-22-2016, 01:48 PM
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Question for the experts: What's the difference in the vin# and warranty#
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06-22-2016, 03:30 PM
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The VIN: 5F07C735272
Decodes as follows:
5=1965
F=Dearborn Assembly Plant
07=2dr Mustang Coupe
C=289 2V low compression engine
735272 is the production line number, usually starting at 100001
In this case, the original owner of the car used an existing Mustang Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to register the car.
It is my hope that the car the VIN came from is no longer in existence, as to have two vehicles with the same VIN, being actively titled in the federal database will cause all sorts of headaches for the owners.
As for your original question:
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Question for the experts: What's the difference in the vin# and warranty#
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A VIN is stamped into the frame of a vehicle, thus identifying that vehicle with that decodable set of numbers and letters unique to that particular vehicle.
A Warranty plate is not permanently affixed to a chassis (pop rivets or rose rivets are not permanent), thus when you see such a plate mounted on a drivers door (in the case of a vintage Mustang)
The warranty number is the identical number/letter combination to the VIN permanently stamped into the chassis. You'll notice this tag is also marked below the VIN: "Not for title or Registration Purposes", again the reason for this is because it is not permanently attached to the chassis.
Hope this answers your question(s)
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06-22-2016, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmustang
In this case, the original owner of the car used an existing Mustang Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to register the car.
It is my hope that the car the VIN came from is no longer in existence, as to have two vehicles with the same VIN, being actively titled in the federal database will cause all sorts of headaches for the owners.
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You can don that? I still wonder why it just doesn't have an FFR number..
This would be red flag problems in CA I would think. Maybe I'm wrong since he got it registered (somehow).
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06-22-2016, 03:48 PM
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You can do that?
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No, you can't legally use an existing chassis number on a completely different chassis/vehicle. It's a Federal offense.
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06-22-2016, 03:57 PM
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No, you can't legally use an existing chassis number on a completely different chassis/vehicle. It's a Federal offense.
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That's great. Buy a Cobra, go to jail. Seriously, if that's true, then I'd give the car back to the seller, if I were Mr. Becker, and say, "Here, you sell it." |
06-22-2016, 03:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
In this case, the original owner of the car used an existing Mustang Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to register the car.
It is my hope that the car the VIN came from is no longer in existence, as to have two vehicles with the same VIN, being actively titled in the federal database will cause all sorts of headaches for the owners.
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So, the builder of this FFR decided to register it with the VIN of a 1965 Mustang? Why? What's the point of that? Cheap registration fees? Avoid emissions controls?
And how the heck would a buyer go about checking a Federal database to figure if the original 1965 Mustang was destroyed? And what does it matter, if it was destroyed, it's not like the original car was rebuilt. The FFR is completely different car and it's a kit car.
I can't even imagine going into the CA DMV and explaining that story. I mean, I had a hard time just getting them to get my name and address correct.  
Every time I simply buy a used car from out-of-state, they give me the "3rd degree."
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06-22-2016, 03:46 PM
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Thanks,
Old stang still around or not, sure don't see how this is legal. Not an expert though.
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06-22-2016, 03:48 PM
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And just how many '65 Mustangs has anyone seen hauled to a scrap yard lately?
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06-22-2016, 03:50 PM
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Old stang still around or not, sure don't see how this is legal. Not an expert though.
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Again, it's not legal.
My thoughts on this, Greed makes good people do bad things.
Bill S.
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06-22-2016, 03:53 PM
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I believe there are folks out there with access to the Fed Database that can run that number and give you the who, what and where one or both cars are...just sayin'.
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06-22-2016, 03:58 PM
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Again, it's not legal.
My thoughts on this, Greed makes good people do bad things.
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My good friend that has a small body shop ran across same deal on a "classic car" and suspected something up. Had it hauled out of his shop unfinished. About 2 weeks later the owner was arrested and the car was seized and destroyed. Pretty expensive game.
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06-22-2016, 04:01 PM
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Pretty expensive game.
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06-22-2016, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
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My good friend that has a small body shop ran across same deal on a "classic car" and suspected something up. Had it hauled out of his shop unfinished. About 2 weeks later the owner was arrested and the car was seized and destroyed. Pretty expensive game.
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Well, I know a guy, who knows a guy. |
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