FE ONLY OR 514ci. CRATE IN YOUR,....COBRA ?

[fordracing65]

The BBM head claims it can use 3-5 degrees less timing than a stock ED head. Which is nice with crappy fuel.

[Dimis]

Ported numbers for all three. Pond, bbm and Barry's are around the 350 mark.

All reports suggest any of the options above will work equally well.
I'd opt for the one that gave you the best price.

The only ones to pass on would be the blue thunders, and that's only bc the have different exhaust port heights which will mess with your headers, else the BTs put out the highest flow numbers iirc.

[Detroit Bill]

I have Survival heads un-ported and got 550 Hp with a hydraulic roller cam.
It not exactly mild but it's not over the top either.

I disagree that Survival heads (Barry's heads). Are for high HP. He designed them to get numbers like mine and more without porting to keep the cost down.

[Detroit Bill]

I have not read the whole thread so excuse me if I am off base. Be careful when you are dialing up the hp. It can be fun to have but there is drivability to consider. How will it run at 1500 rpm when you are trying to go 25 mph. Things like that come up a lot for me driving around. Huge cams do not like that. You end up doing 2500-3000 rpm to keep it from bucking. It's not a sprint car. If you feel the need for 6-700 hp you might consider building it for nitrous.

To the OP have you driven a cobra?

[FUNFER2]

Yes Bill, I have a Cobra.

Please read more of my thread, of what I want, need and can handle.

600 HP & TQ on the street is fine, depending on the cam specs and compression. Etc...
I'm not building a drag only car. .

[Detroit Bill]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Yes Bill, I have a Cobra.

Please read more of my thread, of what I want, need and can handle.

600 HP & TQ on the street is fine, depending on the cam specs and compression. Etc...
I'm not building a drag only car. .

You are not using 600 hp around a turn. When you felt the need to melt the tires you could hit the button.

[FUNFER2]

Ain't gonna happin.

How much does your 482 produce ?

[Detroit Bill]

550 something.
I believe as you go above that it gets dicey.

[Shootnride]

Kevin,

Are the build specs from Craft and Barnett as complete as the one from Lykins ? Do those other builds include things like the alternator, starter, fuel pump with braided SS hoses, SS bolt set, ported heads, T&D rockers, etc, etc. It all adds up.

Just food for thought

Ted

[FUNFER2]

I'll have to check. Like you said, It's all the little stuff that add up.

There's two things that can also add up.

I'll have to sell or trade my new FE flywheel, steel bellhousing and clutch for a 385 series.
I wonder if I could use the clutch ?

If the 460 is taller than the FE, I'll have to make a different hood scoop, which means repainting the hood. I'm a body man so that's not a big deal, except mixing new white pearl stripes, but it means more work especilly making a new scoop, and some,...cost.

I'd just have to feel, it'll be worth it at the end.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

I'll have to check. Like you said, It's all the little stuff that add up.

There's two things that can also add up.

I'll have to sell or trade my new FE flywheel, steel bellhousing and clutch for a 385 series.
I wonder if I could use the clutch ?

If the 460 is taller than the FE, I'll have to make a different hood scoop, which means repainting the hood. I'm a body man so that's not a big deal, except mixing new white pearl stripes, but it means more work especilly making a new scoop, and some,...cost.

I'd just have to feel, it'll be worth it at the end.

Go ahead if you want to make a new hood scoop. OTOH, you can buy one, paint it to match the hood and rivet it on. There are other 'off the shelf' scoops, of course, but Shell Valley makes a couple that are 3.25" and 3.5" high: Cobra Replica Hood Scoop

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

Go ahead if you want to make a new hood scoop. OTOH, you can buy one, paint it to match the hood and rivet it on. There are other 'off the shelf' scoops, of course, but Shell Valley makes a couple that are 3.25" and 3.5" high: Cobra Replica Hood Scoop

That's cool.

[FUNFER2]

Couple of questions on valvetrain.

I've never used Scorpion Racing Products rockers. What do you think about them ?

I've also never used stainless rockers. What do you think about them vs aluminum ?

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Couple of questions on valvetrain.

I've never used Scorpion Racing Products rockers. What do you think about them ?

I've also never used stainless rockers. What do you think about them vs aluminum ?

Anyone ?

[FUNFER2]

Bare with me, I have several posts to grt back to, but I'd like your thoughts on this engine.

427 Center Oiler (bummer not a side) lol

If a guy replaced the heads, valve train, maybe the intake and cam, what performance numbers could be expected ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Ford-42...-/272677201807

[FWB]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Couple of questions on valvetrain.

I've never used Scorpion Racing Products rockers. What do you think about them ?

Scorpions are cheap for a reason, just my 3 cents

[olddog]

Since your car is set up for an FE, if I were in your position, I would stay FE. Price a set of headers that would bolt to a 385 series and your side pipes. Then the mounts and flywheel, bell housing, etc. Too much of a head ache, let alone the cost.

The 427 center oiler, if it is what it is advertised to be, is worth the money if that is what you want. It is priced at the top of what it is worth from my perspective, but if you needed it to restore a car it is a steel. I wouldn't use the heads. With the crank and rods it would be tempting to build it and use them. So you would have another $2500ish in good heads. By the time you get a cam and valve train maybe another $1500. So you could have it done right for about $12K. Obviously you want some work done on the oil system.

Toss a stroker rotating assembly in it and you will add $1500-2000 and make a bunch more power.

I would have to look things up but I think you can have a 390 block stroked to 445ish built by any of the builders that visit this site for the same money, and it would likely make more power than a 427. Then the builder would stand behind it.

PS
Craft budget at 500 HP $10995
390 FE 416-445 Budget Blueprint Crate Engine - Craft Performance Engines

Craft street at 525 HP $13895
390 FE 416-445 Street Crate - Craft Performance Engines

Craft stroked 428 550 HP $14895
428 FE 428-463 Street Crate - Craft Performance Engines

[FUNFER2]

Yes, it would Definitely, be faster and easier to replace it with another 428.

I can make the headers, but prices on 304 stainless has shot up in price. I'd have to see if I could exchange my new bellhousing, flywheel and clutch, if not I would need to sell it all, loosing some money I'm sure.

The 427 center oiler won't do, as I would want more performance out of it, including heads. It really should go to a guy who's restoring a car.

Brent and others have some really nice and powerful 390/444ci FE's , with good pricing.

If my budget does not increase, and want another FE I'll have to forget the HP/TQ that I'm wanting.

Lance's FE's-

500 to 550 HP
$11,000 to $15,000
(+) other parts.

[FUNFER2]

According to the posted measurments, is the 460 a tad smaller/same as the FE ?
Or is the 460 different than the other 385 series engines ?

FE Height- 29"
385 Height-29"

FE Length -32"
385 Length-34"

FE Width-27"
385 Width-27"

[FUNFER2]

One chart

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...1&d=1327904705