FE ONLY OR 514ci. CRATE IN YOUR,....COBRA ?

[FUNFER2]

If you,....had a limited budget, say 10k, but wanted the most HP & TQ you could get, would you settle for low power, say 350 to 400 HP thus sounding and feeling lke a purring kitten, or buy the Ford 514ci crate engine with 625 HP for 8k ?

That's where I'm at in getting a engine for my Cobra. I really don't like having a motor other than the 427 or 428 in mine, but....

It's so bad that the FE's are very expensive to build !

Power over price ?
Or
Original to the Cobra ?

What would YOU,..... do ?

[blykins]

Ford Racing crate engines are not complete. You end up spending quite a bit more money to get them running.

I agree that FE's are expensive. I also agree that the 385 series engine is more bang for the buck. But be aware that they are very large engines, don't always fit comfortably in the engine bay, and require a totally different set of headers, bellhousing, accessories, etc.

[FUNFER2]

Well, it's pretty close anyway.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-D514
The car is set up fora FE and Tremec transmission.


I would have to change or trade several parts, as I have FE motor mounts, new flywheel, Quicktime bellhousing, clutch. Plus change the driveshaft and maybe work over the trans tunnel for the tranny and or the shifter ?

But, this is mainly what motor would you have, FE or the 514 ?

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Well, it's pretty close anyway.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-D514
The car is set up fora FE and Tremec transmission.


I would have to change or trade several parts, as I have FE motor mounts, new flywheel, Quicktime bellhousing, clutch. Plus change the driveshaft and maybe work over the trans tunnel for the tranny and or the shifter ?

But, this is mainly what motor would you have, FE or the 514 ?

I apparently have no life, as I've followed this thread and all the posts since its inception. SMH

Regardless, if the car's set up for an FE I'd put an FE in it. Easy decision. Want more torque or HP? Make a Super Snake.

Want more? How about the Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (785 HP & 660 TQ) from Edelbrock? Almost certainly lighter than either an FE or a 385.

Performance Crate Engines - Ford - Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (785 HP & 660 TQ) - Edelbrock, LLC.

[FUNFER2]

Hey Bryan, how about a 8-71 huffer.

If the measurments are correct (except 2" longer) why would a 460 be tighter than a FE, just different in shape ?

$24,500,......wow.

Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (785 HP & 660 TQ)



(What do you mean by, "I apparently have no life, as I've followed this thread and all the posts since its inception. SMH")

[DanEC]

Those dimension charts don't tell what intake they are based on - I'm assuming a cast iron 4bbl OEM intake but not sure. My suspicion is once you get into performance intakes the 385 will grow taller than a FE.

[blykins]

No plugs, no wires, no carburetor (requires a Dominator carb which will make hood clearance more of a challenge), no pulleys, no brackets, no alternator, oil pan is rear sump, etc.

Yes, you would need new motor mounts, new headers, new bellhousing, etc.

[jacobsed]

I can comment on the end result having a 514....its amazing!
The engine looks huge and great under the hood too.

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[Grubby]

Resale value can be negatively impacted by putting anything other than an FE in. Depends on the car maker.

ERAs with a 385 will take a big hit.

John

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by Grubby

Resale value can be negatively impacted by putting anything other than an FE in. Depends on the car maker.

ERAs with a 385 will take a big hit.

John

I'll never sell. (unless I hit the lottery)

[FUNFER2]

Cool. Any video of the engine running ?

Is it wider, taller and or longer than an FE ?

What make is your Cobra ?

I know that with the Lone Star, a turkey pan will hit the hood, so I don't know if the 460 would be too tall or not ? (always thought that was a stupid design) !

[jacobsed]

Mine is SPF #705. I don't know how it compares to an FE. It looks bigger to me. Has most all the Cobra Valley upgrades. If you want those valve covers then get them quickly because once the inventory is gone that's it. If you really want a vid of it running them PM me.

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Cool. Any video of the engine running ?

Is it wider, taller and or longer than an FE ?

What make is your Cobra ?

I know that with the Lone Star, a turkey pan will hit the hood, so I don't know if the 460 would be too tall or not ? (always thought that was a stupid design) !

[wkooiman]

An FE is not much more expensive than any other engine. A 427 is, but a 428 or stroker 390 is not.

I ran a 428 in a 67 Mustang, and it was scary fast. That was with stock stroke, nothing fancy Edelbrock heads, CompCams 282S, FPA headers, and the C7ZX 2x4 intake, which was my only high dollar part.

My point is you can easily build an FE that makes enough HP to scare the crap out of you, plus it looks the part, and the expense of running an FE is exaggerated.

[blykins]

Originally Posted by wkooiman

An FE is not much more expensive than any other engine. A 427 is, but a 428 or stroker 390 is not.

I ran a 428 in a 67 Mustang, and it was scary fast. That was with stock stroke, nothing fancy Edelbrock heads, CompCams 282S, FPA headers, and the C7ZX 2x4 intake, which was my only high dollar part.

My point is you can easily build an FE that makes enough HP to scare the crap out of you, plus it looks the part, and the expense of running an FE is exaggerated.

You are correct, generally speaking, building an FE is not that expensive. However, when you try to match horsepower for horsepower, getting big horsepower out of an FE takes quite a bit more money.

[wkooiman]

Originally Posted by blykins

You are correct, generally speaking, building an FE is not that expensive. However, when you try to match horsepower for horsepower, getting big horsepower out of an FE takes quite a bit more money.

Agreed. I wasn't suggesting that an FE is not much more expensive when matching horsepower for horsepower. I was only saying that it is pretty easy to build an FE that will scare the crap out of you, and it doesn't have to cost a lot.

BTW, I'm not one of those that thinks that you have to have an FE in a Cobra. My 2nd choice would be a Boss 429/520, which would make an awesome Cobra, assuming you can make it fit.

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by blykins

You are correct, generally speaking, building an FE is not that expensive. However, when you try to match horsepower for horsepower, getting big horsepower out of an FE takes quite a bit more money.

Yes, that's when I mean by cost vs HP with other engines. The FE is expensive unless it's a pooch motor.
Look at the Ford 514 and the Chevy 572. Apx,..... 8k to 14k with 625 HP. To build a FE with that much, it's from 18k to 25k. Approximately guys !

[blykins]

In a Superformance, you need a Torker intake (very short) to fit it under the hood scoop.

The deck height on an FE is 10.170. A 385 series engine is 10.320-10.360 depending on the year. Heads are much taller as well. Physically, it's a much bigger engine.

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by blykins

In a Superformance, you need a Torker intake (very short) to fit it under the hood scoop.

The deck height on an FE is 10.170. A 385 series engine is 10.320-10.360 depending on the year. Heads are much taller as well. Physically, it's a much bigger engine.

Great to know Brent.
Thanks.

[jacobsed]

I have a Torker II on mine. Holley double pumper, Ford Oval air cleaner, spacer to clear the MSD distributor in between. Clears fine.

Originally Posted by blykins

In a Superformance, you need a Torker intake (very short) to fit it under the hood scoop.

The deck height on an FE is 10.170. A 385 series engine is 10.320-10.360 depending on the year. Heads are much taller as well. Physically, it's a much bigger engine.

[Grubby]

My first ERA (178) was 351w powered. It was strong and sounded mean, but was very hard to sell. Everyone wanted an FE and it took a special buyer to pull the trigger.

My second ERA (755) Cobra was powered by a 428 stroker and I was thinking about selling and it sold in a day. 755 felt no faster than 178.

For me, nothing but an FE goes in my next ERA. A 500hp FE is enough to scare anyone.

We all think we won't sell them, but I can tell you I have made a nice profit on two cars and will be starting number 3 in the near future.

John