Thoughts on an FFR car at $50k

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by patrickt

And why would that be?

Possibly for the same reason a lot of 63 - 67 Corvette owners have sworn off KO wheels - too many instances of them falling off and causing a lot of damage due to improper installation and owners/mechanics not paying attention to what they are doing. They even market fake Corvette KOs now that bolt on and the factory cone and spinner conceal the lug nuts - can't tell them apart.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by DanEC

Possibly for the same reason a lot of 63 - 67 Corvette owners have sworn off KO wheels - too many instances of them falling off and causing a lot of damage due to improper installation and owners/mechanics not paying attention to what they are doing. They even market fake Corvette KOs now that bolt on and the factory cone and spinner conceal the lug nuts - can't tell them apart.

I don't understand -- is there something wrong with the FFR pin-drives? As opposed to the six pin jobs on say, my ERA, RodKnock's Kirkham, etc.?

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I don't understand -- is there something wrong with the FFR pin-drives? As opposed to the six pin jobs on say, my ERA, RodKnock's Kirkham, etc.?

Don't know anything about FFR pin-drives just speculating on his opinion based on my Corvette KO background. Original Corvette KOs have an adaptor secured by lug nuts separate from the KO pins. GM used long lug nuts to prevent owners from mis-indexing the wheels on the lug nuts and coming loose. It works except some people lose the long lug nuts and use standard lug nuts, mis-index a wheel and next thing they know they have one come off. It's not the best system and if you have a background in old Corvettes, it sort of gives all KOs a bad rap. For what it's worth - I've had KOs on my Corvette for 25 years and experienced one instance of finding one a little loose - but never lost one.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by DanEC

Don't know anything about FFR pin-drives just speculating on his opinion based on my Corvette KO background. Original Corvette KOs have an adaptor secured by lug nuts separate from the KO pins. GM used long lug nuts to prevent owners from mis-indexing the wheels on the lug nuts and coming loose. It works except some people lose the long lug nuts and use standard lug nuts, mis-index a wheel and next thing they know they have one come off. It's not the best system and if you have a background in old Corvettes, it sort of gives all KOs a bad rap. For what it's worth - I've had KOs on my Corvette for 25 years and experienced one instance of finding one a little loose - but never lost one.

Alright, that's a good answer. I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen a FFR with six pin drives. I don't think I have.

[jmimac351]

I'm not sure what "FFR Pin Drives" means.

I had an FFR with "pin drive option" which effectively meant "pin drive width control arms, cutting, cussing, and grinding". I bought knock off wheels from Vintage Wheels. They came with a 5-lug adapter kit. I installed the adapters. I took my time and did it right. Then I put the wheels on. I really liked my lead hammer. Every once in a while, I'd check them with a light "tap". Never had a problem. Never even had one budge the slightest after the first check or 2 that needed to be hammered.

Not sure the phrase "FFR Pin Drive" being used here means much of anything. FFR doesn't have anything to do with it other than providing shorter arms that allow the wheels to fit. (Patrick, that isn't meant for you, but for people who might be reading and just don't know any better.)

After the work was done, I was happy with the result. OK, now I'm just showin' off. I liked that car.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by jmimac351

I'm not sure what "FFR Pin Drives" means.

I had an FFR with "pin drive option" which effectively meant "pin drive width control arms, cutting, cussing, and grinding". I bought knock off wheels from Vintage Wheels. They came with a 5-lug adapter kit. I installed the adapters. I took my time and did it right. Then I put the wheels on. I really liked my lead hammer. Every once in a while, I'd check them with a light "tap". Never had a problem. Never even had one budge the slightest after the first check or 2 that needed to be hammered.

Not sure the phrase "FFR Pin Drive" being used here means much of anything. FFR doesn't have anything to do with it other than providing shorter arms that allow the wheels to fit. (Patrick, that isn't meant for you, but for people who might be reading and just don't know any better.)

After the work was done, I was happy with the result. OK, now I'm just showin' off. I liked that car.

That makes sense -- and it looks to me like it's pretty much the same five pin job that SPF, and some ERAs, use. You can't tell they're not six pins when the wheel is on and, once you get them aligned just right, they do just as well as six pins. OK, I understand now.

[Cobra-Kid]

Cars depreciate. And none of these will fetch what they cost to build, so build cost can't be used to justify market value. For a FF I would never pay this sort of price....I would not go over $30k if I wanted one, but I don't want one. I can't believe he will get $35k out of it, and he'll be very lucky if he does IMO.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by DanEC

Possibly for the same reason a lot of 63 - 67 Corvette owners have sworn off KO wheels - too many instances of them falling off and causing a lot of damage due to improper installation and owners/mechanics not paying attention to what they are doing. They even market fake Corvette KOs now that bolt on and the factory cone and spinner conceal the lug nuts - can't tell them apart.

I owned a '66 Corvette convertible for a very long time. I bought and installed the KO's, but they came loose often enough that I removed them and sold them. The Corvette KO manufacturers may have changed the wheels over the year, so I'm not familiar with today's product, but there's no comparison to the pin drive Trigo wheels on my Kirkham. While I don't drive thousands of miles every year, they've not come loose. They're as tight as the day I bought the car. And I have no fear of it either.

[patrickt]

Yes, I give mine no thought whatsoever. I walk around and glance at the safety wire before each drive but, other than that, nothing else other than antiseize and they've never loosened.

[1795]

Ditto. I put between 4,000-6,000 miles per year on my 6 pin drive and never had them loosen, even under hard driving.