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Old 05-20-2020, 12:31 PM
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Back in the 90s, I built my first Cobra. I wanted a BB, I had 2 454 Chevys under the workbench. The Ford FEs were expensive and heavy. Aluminum heads were unusual for all but SBCs. A friend built a Contemporary with Jag suspension, top loader, pin drive Halibrands, blue dot tires, and enamel paint. He even bought an Arizona police car to get a 428 with the correct casting numbers. I started with a Shell Valley with a hardtop, Mustang II front suspension, coil-overs, and a narrowed 9 inch. I have a bumm leg, so I needed an automatic. The 454 seemed too heavy so I bought a rebuilt dirt track engine for $800 with Brodix heads, roller cam, Edelbrock intake, carb, wp, and starter - ready to run - and 406 inches. I couldn't find aluminum Ford heads for less than $1000 each. Needless to say, the 406 was a lot quicker than the 428. He won all the car shows and I won all the races.
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I'm hearing a bunch of die hard, (Ford) blue blooded brand fanboys spouting off about respect for "history" or the "purity" of a replica. Car show visitors want to see a true replica that respects history?? BEE-ESS!! To most people, if the body is made of fiberglass, it's a kit car, period! Few of them can even tell a 289 from a 351 or SBC and even fewer care.

The only people who choke back the vomit of disappointment when they see a Chevy in a Cobra are the Ford fanboys who wake up in cold sweats at night because they dreamed they were driving a Camaro and loving it!

This ridiculous, all-blinding brand loyalty makes me laugh. It has it's roots in childhood when kids argued who's dad had a faster car and then driving and clinging to whatever brand you grew up indoctrinated to prefer.

Personally I don't drink brand marketing Kool Aid. I choose based on how well a car satisfies MY needs and pleases MY eye regardless of brand. Did you Ford fanatics still buy ugly lil' Mustangs in 1974? The offerings from GM - 455 Trans Ams and Corvettes - were way more appealing to me, even though I loved Mustangs before that. A bit less so from '71 to '73 though, as they were just too fat and lazy compared to the other pony cars. I also loved early 'Cudas, Firebirds and Corvettes along with a whole bunch of European sports cars.

Respect for history my arse! Where is all of your outrage and vomit when you see 'glass bodies, Tremec 5 speeds, bolt on wheels, dual roll bars and stretched wheelbases? Who the heck are you to feel the need to confront and tell others what's right and wrong when all you care about is your own neurotic brand addictions? The right person will tell you shut your trap and stuff it you know where.

By all means have your preferences, but to get so worked up you feel you need to quarrel with someone who has a different plan for his kit car than you have for your kit car is beyond ridiculous!
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Awww, looks like feelings were hurt ROFL

Olddog is a little more adamant about it. I honestly don't care one way or the other what you put in your Cobra. I'm just tired of hearing the "Shelby thought about...." line, so I'm starting to call some bluffs. I'm still waiting on Thor to ante up.

To respond to a few people:

Mike I: I used to have a Cobra and got rid of it just because I'm a purist. I don't like Chevy engines, I don't like TKO's, I don't like twin roll bars, I don't like 18" wheels, I don't like 95" wheelbases, etc, etc. It got to me to the point where I gave up because the amount of effort that I was putting into making the car more original was futile. I also don't like "tribute cars" or "clones".

I'm just not into trying to make people believe it's something it's not.

With that being said, I respect that other guys have their own opinions. I have mine as well, and we are all free to share them. For that matter, I build engines and drivetrains for all different facets and desires. It is what it is. I've owned Corvettes and love Pontiacs. I'm not a brand hater, but I am a purist when it comes to "replicas".

Buzz: I'd invite anyone to approach me, tell me to shut my trap, and stuff anything. You're just as riled up as anyone here, so it's no different.

Anyone here that got their feelings hurt over something so silly needs to put their big girl panties on. We're all just sitting here talking and if you knew me any better, we could say the exact same things all face to face to each other, laugh, and go on with our days.
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Wow, I've heard pretentious nonsense before on this site, but olddog and blykins, you guys elevate it to a higher art form.

Very, very few cobra owners can truly lay claim to building/owning exact replicas of original cars. olddog, by your own admission you own a "67 427 cobra SB," exactly what original model does that replicate? And blykins, you're "Cobra-less!"

You guys don't own replicas any more than I do, so get off your high horse.
There are degrees of sin.

A married man looks at another women, and has an un-pure thought.

A married man propositions another women, but decides to walk away.

A married man in a moment of weakness take another women to a hotel.

A married man has an affair.

A married man chases women every chance he gets.

A married man takes advantage of his neighbors teenage daughter.

A married man molests a 3 yrs old.

Are you saying that a married man who had an un-pure thought cannot judge a married man who had an affair? Or a married man who has had an affair cannot speak out against a child molester?

I never claimed to be pure or a purest. I actually said, in my first post in this thread, something to the effect "if you do not put the engine that belongs in a Cobra replica, at least keep it Ford, if at all possible."

Some of you seem like a man caught with a teenager, trying to justify what you have done by pointing out that most married people cheat.

You have to draw a line somewhere and say this is going too far. For me it is sticking a Chevy engine in a Cobra. I even allowed for a non Ford engine if it was creative and respectfully fast.

As for my Cobra, the single hoop roll bar bothers me more the the SBF. I purchased an already finished car. The previous owner was going to track the car and installed a roll bar that would allow it onto the track. Also a SBF has some advantages over the FE on a track. That said if I were to build a Cobra today it would be a 427 body with an FE engine.
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It is not a brand loyalty issue for me. I owned a 68 Camaro, 69 Malibu, 68 Dodge Charger, etc. I think I owned more Chevy than any other brand. I even dropped a 283 SBC in a Chevy Vega.

Honestly a nice 289 SBF would have been a better engine in the Vega, but even at 17 years old that thought never entered my mind, as it would have been wrong to me. Now I do not care if anyone does so, because the Vega was a cheap car that came and went.

Few cars have the history of a Shelby Cobra and if you don't respect that then there is nothing I can say to help you understand. Sure it's your car do with it what you want, but don't demand I respect your choice.
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[quote=Buzz;1476952]I'm hearing a bunch of die hard, (Ford) blue blooded brand fanboys spouting off about respect for "history" or the "purity" of a replica. Car show visitors want to see a true replica that respects history?? BEE-ESS!! To most people, if the body is made of fiberglass, it's a kit car, period! Few of them can even tell a 289 from a 351 or SBC and even fewer care.

I thought I would test that theory a little while back and took my car to the All Ford Day here in Geelong . This is a large very popular 'Fordí car show here in Southern Oz.
Bear in mind my car has a blown LS1 in it and the only Ford part it technically has would be the Park brake out of a Ford escort.
I left it there on show with the Bonnet/hood open and expected to be run out of town closely followed by an angry mob.
This did not happen at all and surprisingly what I did get was a lot of compliments and people seemingly just enjoying cars in general.
I donít believe they even noticed it had a Chevy in it or if they did they couldnít give a fat rats a$$.
Donít get me wrong- I love my Fords and I definitely wouldnít put anything other than a SBF in my 66 Fastback GT, but that car came from the Ford factory that way and I respect that fact.

With the current 'goings oní in the world I reckon thereís bigger things to worry about IMHO.
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Few cars have the history of a Shelby Cobra and if you don't respect that then there is nothing I can say to help you understand. Sure it's your car do with it what you want, but don't demand I respect your choice.
Hi Olddog - If someone dropped a non-Ford engine into an original Cobra I'd see that as violation of the history and heritage of the car, but none of our replicas are actual Fords or Shelbys (except for those who actually do own Shelbys ) so I don't see the big deal about what engine the person writing the check decides to use. As for demanding anyone respect my choice, I don't. All I'm saying is if you don't like my choice, thats your problem - don't come preaching to me about it.
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Buzz: I'd invite anyone to approach me, tell me to shut my trap, and stuff anything. You're just as riled up as anyone here, so it's no different.
I was talking about the owner of a Chevy (or other) engined Cobra responding to some Ford fanboy approaching them and spouting off about how wrong it is, as was stated by an earlier poster. You or anyone else do that to me and you bet I'll tell you to stuff your butthurt opinion up your a$$.

Riled up? Lol - not at all - just all caught up with everyone else in the spirit of telling it like I see it.
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I'm hearing a bunch of die hard, (Ford) blue blooded brand fanboys spouting off about respect for "history" or the "purity" of a replica. Car show visitors want to see a true replica that respects history?? BEE-ESS!! To most people, if the body is made of fiberglass, it's a kit car, period! Few of them can even tell a 289 from a 351 or SBC and even fewer care.

I thought I would test that theory a little while back and took my car to the All Ford Day here in Geelong . This is a large very popular 'Fordí car show here in Southern Oz.
Bear in mind my car has a blown LS1 in it and the only Ford part it technically has would be the Park brake out of a Ford escort.
I left it there on show with the Bonnet/hood open and expected to be run out of town closely followed by an angry mob.
This did not happen at all and surprisingly what I did get was a lot of compliments and people seemingly just enjoying cars in general.
I donít believe they even noticed it had a Chevy in it or if they did they couldnít give a fat rats a$$.
Donít get me wrong- I love my Fords and I definitely wouldnít put anything other than a SBF in my 66 Fastback GT, but that car came from the Ford factory that way and I respect that fact.

With the current 'goings oní in the world I reckon thereís bigger things to worry about IMHO.
Hey Kyle - I'm not one bit surprised that nobody had anything bad to say about your car. Robnells are legitimate cars all on their own. Track capable and one of the most beautiful looking Cobras out there! I'd love to see some pics and hear about your driving/owning impressions.

EDIT - Most of the Robnells had fuel injected ( Motec?) 385 series Ford big blocks. How did you end up with the sacrilege of an LS1 in yours?
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Emission regulation here is extremely tight for full registration.
Long story, but I worked for the company that owned Robnell and had the blessing of the owners at the time when I told them what I was doing.
If the purists want to spit their weet bix out- It also has electro-hydraulic power steering, drive by wire, cruise control, Dual rollbars, heated seats, and wait for it... Cup holders!!
If you’re going (off the ranch) then might as well go all the way.
The car is an absolute weapon and it drives beautifully.
It certainly handles and goes better than I drive.
The alloy L.S gave pretty much perfect balance as opposed to the heavier big block cars- I have driven both big block and SBF Robnell’s.
I get that people can get extremely passionate about these things, but I built this car for myself (not to satisfy anyone else) and to enjoy the driving experience with friends and family.
I don’t have to think twice about getting in and driving it- just turn the key and go.
It has big cam and open sidepipes therefore you can hear it coming from the next suburb
When I open it up, it’s like the launch of the space shuttle.
I did build it so that it pretty much looks like any other Robnell from the outside.
For me it was about the building, engineering and driving. Not a badge, brand or name.
Love it!!

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Hi Olddog - If someone dropped a non-Ford engine into an original Cobra I'd see that as violation of the history and heritage of the car, but none of our replicas are actual Fords or Shelbys (except for those who actually do own Shelbys ) so I don't see the big deal about what engine the person writing the check decides to use. As for demanding anyone respect my choice, I don't. All I'm saying is if you don't like my choice, thats your problem - don't come preaching to me about it.
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If our replicas are just a kit car hot rod, then why bother with the Shelby Cobra body look a like? Why use that body if the history of what it represents is meaningless to you? As I said earlier if you live where it is extremely difficult to use a Ford engine, I give you a total pass.

I feel the same way if someone built a replica of a Corvette and stuck a Ford engine in it. Or a replica of a Hemi Cuda and stuck a Toyota engine in it. Why build something that is a true Icon and defile it for no good reason?

Anyway good talking to you.

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This is Fun gentlemen I also happen to own a Mazda RX-7 that has a 302 Ford, T-5 Transmission, that look's like Ford & Mazda were together to build this, from the outside it look's stock. At the car show's 99% of the people say Cool Car that's is one of the nicest conversion, who did it? Did Ford & Mazda do this (Prototype?) No one seems to care now that Z-cars & Rx-7's are now worth money, that I've had this done, ruined a perfectly good Rx-7, except the 1% that are Drifter's, that say it should have a rotary in it, to which I say, well your Mommy dress's you funny, and pull up your pants . Glad to see no one's feeling are hurt, we need to stick together. Cheers TommyRot.

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Its interesting (to me anyway) to see the responses here. I am also in the process of building a Locost (Lotus) 7 replica. These cars have been around since 1959 when Colin Chapman wanted to put a high performance car within reach of the "average Joe".

On the Locost 7 site guys are installing all kinds of engines in their cars, BBC, SBC, BMW, Miata, BBF, SBF, Rotary, Mazda, Toyota, Motorcycle motors and anything else you can imagine. One guy is installing a V12 Jag motor!

The original cars started with British Leyland motors and then switched to European Ford 4 cyl motors and finally a Ford/Cosworth headed 4 cyl from the factory.

I am personally installing a BL (MGB) motor for a "period" take, plus the engine/trans were given to me for free.



The interesting thing to watch on that site is the amount of support and cheering whenever someone new comes aboard with a new take on how to build their vision.

And talk about performance! These cars end up under 1400 lbs with a SBC or SBF motors. Some have the original type live rear axle/unequal length front suspension. Others have more exotic IRS and race style inboard coilover shocks on both ends. They are killer autocross cars. One guy is building a BBC alloy motor car in his penthouse apartment In Canada! Quite a site to see his photos. They are also road racing at some tracks in all sorts of classes.

Bottom line, they all embrace what everyone is doing. Because they can!

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If our replicas are just a kit car hot rod, then why bother with the Shelby Cobra body look a like? Why use that body if the history of what it represents is meaningless to you? As I said earlier if you live where it is extremely difficult to use a Ford engine, I give you a total pass.

I feel the same way if someone built a replica of a Corvette and stuck a Ford engine in it. Or a replica of a Hemi Cuda and stuck a Toyota engine in it. Why build something that is a true Icon and defile it for no good reason?

Anyway good talking to you.
Defile it Olddog - you have a way of making the whole thing sound so sordid and depraved I feel like I need an exorcism now

Why choose the Cobra? Maybe some people just love the performance and that voluptuous, sexy, curvy body. See? I can talk dirty too
Maybe they care less than you do about the history and heritage or they figure their little hot rod has no impact on the pedigree of the real thing. Different perspectives I suppose.

To be honest, if I had built my car from the start, I would've tried to use a Ford based powertrain and though I flirted with the idea of importing a built 427 at triple your Stateside costs, the car ran so strong and well that I just wasn't motivated enough. I get the point about simple authenticity when at all possible but what I don't get is all the passion about what others do on their own dime with their own cars. Now - if I had used your money, your time and your tools, I think you'd have a legitimate beef.

Take care today, and as always, its a pleasure chatting with you.
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Its interesting (to me anyway) to see the responses here. I am also in the process of building a Locost (Lotus) 7 replica. These cars have been around since 1959 when Colin Chapman wanted to put a high performance car within reach of the "average Joe".

On the Locost 7 site guys are installing all kinds of engines in their cars, BBC, SBC, BMW, Miata, BBF, SBF, Rotary, Mazda, Toyota, Motorcycle motors and anything else you can imagine. One guy is installing a V12 Jag motor!

The original cars started with British Leyland motors and then switched to European Ford 4 cyl motors and finally a Ford/Cosworth headed 4 cyl from the factory.

I am personally installing a BL (MGB) motor for a "period" take, plus the engine/trans were given to me for free.



The interesting thing to watch on that site is the amount of support and cheering whenever someone new comes aboard with a new take on how to build their vision.

And talk about performance! These cars end up under 1400 lbs with a SBC or SBF motors. Some have the original type live rear axle/unequal length front suspension. Others have more exotic IRS and race style inboard coilover shocks on both ends. They are killer autocross cars. One guy is building a BBC alloy motor car in his penthouse apartment In Canada! Quite a site to see his photos. They are also road racing at some tracks in all sorts of classes.

Bottom line, they all embrace what everyone is doing. Because they can!

Thom
I had one of those. lt was about the same color too. It was built by Del Long perhaps the winning-est Modified autocross builder. Mine had a Acura k20 with some mods putting out about 250 hp with a flat torque curve from 2000 to 9000 rpm. Weighed about 1250 and had pull rod suspension in front and a Winters all alumninum rear end with quick change gears. It has now won about 15 National championships with better drivers than I am.

Good luck on your build! (Del started with a Locost too).
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Yes, those Lotus 7's are fast on a road course. They handle well and do not need much horsepower as they are so light.
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Mine came off a corner....well, you'd swear it was lifting the front wheels off the track.
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I had a retired-FF (Forsgrini, Look that car up, 4-were built ) that took on the Lotus 7's clones, in E-mod. 800lbs. close to 200HP Kent motor, Mk6 Hewland, 8" front tires, 12" rears, that car took care of all the "Loti" I had quicker reaction's back then TommyRot.

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Tom, I had a drive in a Toyota powered Lotus 7 clone years ago and it felt like a big, very fast go-kart. That Forsgrini must've been a real trip to drive!
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You bet'ha Buzz, the most fun you could have in a minute to a minute & half, depending on track length This little FF, geared low, could pull 0-100 in 8.1, 1/4mile 11.9 @ 121mph, and pull 1.27 G's on a 200' skidpad. The most fun you could have with your clothes on 200HP bored out to 1698cc. Kent motor sounded MEAN, 2-45mm DCOE webers, big cam, etc.etc, I had a air box on the Webers that said This part SUCKS Oh what fun that was. Cheers Tom.
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