40th Anniversary Cobra on Ebay - Page 3

Mark Roe · #41 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 12:31 AM

Bill--

First of all, thanks...

I'm not 100% positive that Shelby WOULDN'T have put stripes on my car when I ordered it--BUT--as I look at my speck sheet, the only options to the body were polished aluminum or 40th Ann. blue--no stripes involved.

So the stripes on this car, as I said in another post, take this car OUT of the original 40th Ann. catagory(IMHO)--it's been altered to fit the buyers needs. Thats OK--but the car is NOT as designed for the 40th Anniversary--Blue OR brushed aluminum...

BTW----I'll be at breaklfast this Saturday also.....looking forward to meeting ya.......

Mark

Mark Roe · #42 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 12:57 AM

Marko--

Just a quick note to YOUR post--the car is NOT "$100K+-" before the drive train was added--the roller was/is being sold for under $90k--so thats some EXPENSIVE stripe.....or.......

Gary Morris · #43 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 06:13 AM

Riddle me this.....why is it that E-bay seems to set the price for just about anything you want to buy or sell yet when it's CSX4000's it's way off to a lot of peoples thinking.......could it be that they are just not worth what most of you think they are.

Gary
Proud owner of ERA.....whatever it is!

Traveller · #44 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by REAL 1

.........when people start putting down a particular car by laughing at an asking price that is within range of what these cars sell for I take it as a put down to that car and the manufacturer.

......Just curious. Why didn't you ask the other guys what they have to prove by their comments???

I thought the reason for the thread was to enlist opinions about the value of this particular car for sale on ebay. Several of the members of this forum have done just that. Some think it's worth it, some don't.

I just don't understand how any of this warrants the condescending indignation cast toward everyone who doesn’t own a "real" Cobra?

It seems to me that this petty snobbery should be reserved for the annual SAAC meets where you can quarrel with the “original” owners about which Cobra’s are “real” or not.

REAL 1 · #45 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 06:44 AM

Mr. PSB: There is alot more to it then just a "name". There is a world of difference between a CSX and a Hunter.

I'm not worried about the resale of my car 20 years from now. Not even think'n about it.

To me, enjoyment comes from drive'n a REAL Cobra, new or old as opposed to a car that mimics or just looks like a Cobra. So yeah, the price of admission was worth it to me.

You enjoy yours. I'll enjoy mine.

Finally, to be truly analogous what if DeVinci originally signed his name to the Mona Lisa made to his specs in England and then years later he signed his name to the continuation Mona Lisa made to his specs in Poland? So? Ones the original Mona Lisa ones the new Mona Lisa. Both are by DeVinci and both are Mona Lisas.

computerworks · #46 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by REAL 1

Finally, to be truly analogous what if DeVinci originally signed his name to the Mona Lisa made to his specs in England and then years later he signed his name to the continuation Mona Lisa made to his specs in Poland? So? Ones the original Mona Lisa ones the new Mona Lisa. Both are by DeVinci and both are Mona Lisas.

...huh?

If Leonardo was in Poland, would that make him DaVinsky?

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427Aggie · #47 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 07:15 AM

I try to stay out of these but I kind of want to point a fact. Elenor sold at Barrett for what $180K....seems to me that since it was bought by the owner anyway its a great way of building hipe and its a small cost (figure all they lost was fee to BJ) for all the marketing they got.

Items are worth what people will pay for them...cars will always be speculative. My ERA is 17 years old....still worth what it cost to build it...to me thats enough...I am not loosing money and I get to enjoy the hell out of the car.

Would I buy a 4000 if I had the money...hell no...would I buy a 2000 or 3000 if I had the money HELL YES!!!!!

Yes they are Shelby's but according to the registries so are the new GT500E's (now figure that one)...the dodges of the 80's were shelby's too.

I love what Shelby did in the 60's....I love the cars...they have souls...they were built for the pure race capability and for the love of creating something great.....

Most of Today's cars don't have souls.....

Take things into perspective....EBay is a good measure of how the Series 1's are selling (like crap by the way...people can't sell them for $80K) what makes it any different for a 4000? The 2000 sold recently for a really high price if I remember on Ebay.....why pay BJ their cut if I can pay a lot less on Ebay.

Everyone loves their cars...there's no need to throw spit wads because mine will be worth more than yours in 20 years...who the hell cares.....I know alot of people that can have any shelby they want but they get a replica because they don't worry about driving it and they don't want to spend their money....

If the decision you made was important to you then great...enjoy....but don't try and justify what you payed or what others think its worth by pointing to 1 car and saying "See I told you so"....some people have way more money than sense!

Matt

REAL 1 · #48 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 08:35 AM

I just return spit wads to their owners after directed in my direction.

By the way. Last I checked my Cobra definitely has a Cobra soul and 100% Cobra character.

In the end all I know is that several of the new CSX's have sold for $160K and up whether at auction or otherwise. In fact these new CSX's have sold for more than some original 289's!

IB4N · #49 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 08:35 AM

Hello,

Once again, a few people seem to think they know everything about other peoples vehicles, Especially Turk who insists he knows more about this engine than the people who ordered it and the people that built it. THIS IS AN ALUMINUM 427 SIDEOILER! Mark Roe, there is a reason this car is the only one leaving the factory with white stripes, I guarantee you, even if you wanted to order yours with stripes, your wouldn't get them. For everyone that thinks this car is not worth it, that's your opinion, there are plenty of knock-off Cobras for everyones budget.

Marko

Trans-Am Jim · #50 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 08:58 AM

Marko:

Who manufactured this 427 aluminum sideoiler block? Would like to know some specs. A web address would be good.

Excaliber · #51 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 09:07 AM

Traveller,,,,,,,,what YOU think is an "attitude" problem with REAL Cobra owners is in fact just a simple response to people like YOU making stupid comments like the ones you have made.

The "attitude" problem is not with the CSX owners, it is with the small minded people unable to discern the reality and difference between a REPLICA and a REAL Cobra.

In my situation the Excalibur Cobra is the Cobra of CHOICE for me mainly because of "registration" issues where I live. While I love the car, it falls FAR SHORT of the "standard" of what a REAL Cobra is.

I really don't believe there is anyone in here who would turn down a CSX car if the opportunity to own one came up for them. Such statements to the contrary are, in my opinion, nothing more than "sour grapes". If I owned one you can BET someone like you would think I had an "attitude" problem because I WOULD stand up for the FACTS.

Ernie

IB4N · #52 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 09:09 AM

Trans Am:

http://www.southernautomotiveengines.com

Marko

KobraKarl · #53 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 09:13 AM

Evan,Evan,Evan,

I believe you must have 475 "dead horses" under your hood..

I mean really , are you telling me you are'nt well heeled enough to accept that at certain times over the years your car's value will wax and wane?....Every one on this board has to accept that..The next couple of years could be a good time to purchace any "luxury item".....If CSX's drop far enough, they could be a bargain.............To the degree that you bought your car to be envied............SUFFER.....

KK

Jamo · #54 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 09:33 AM

Marko

Is it a Shelby Aluminum block or not? If so--it is NOT a side oiler, though many refer to it as such (including me on occasion). It has a much better system for circulating oil than a freeking side oiler.

REAL 1 · #55 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 09:53 AM

Didn't SPFfiredog educate us on the Shelby Aluminum block. I thought it was a sideoiler???

although not a REAL 427SO with block by FOMOCO.

Mr. Kobrakarl: Yes, I recognize values of things (anything) vary with time and economy. No problemo. I'm there. But as recent as 3 months ago CSX's were selling at auction for $160K+. REAL denerio was exchanged for REAL Shelby Cobras. Seems to indicate there are people willing to spend big denerio for these cars if equipped correctly or if of a special limited series.

The degree I bought my car to be envied is 0%. I couldn't care less what you or other think about it or whether you would want one or not. Believe me on this one.

I bought my car because I wanted a Cobra not something that just looked like one. I couldn't care less whether you or anyone else envy my car or not. It doesn't change my enjoyment of the car one iota. Fact.

Unfortunately there is quite a bit of CSX envy here thats not being admitted too.

Ernie: Dude. You are right on the money! I am making you an honorary member of the unofficial CSX owners/fan club.

avanti-176 · #56 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 09:58 AM

I also tend to just read these Real/not Real threads and not post because it seems no matter what side you are on,you are fighting a losing battle. Kind of like politics.

To me this is pretty simple....

" Is it REAL?" ...I like to handle it by having the person come and touch my car and when I ask them if they feel it there under their fingers and they say yes I then reply " YES it is real" then comes a pause followed by "but it is not a shelby"

Evans car is a Shelby Cobra. Period.

If I had a Cobra with a JBL chassis, a kirkham body,and an all aluminum 427 motor would I have a better CAR than Evan?...YUP!!
(in my opinion)

Would it be worth more on the market?.... Nope!!

About 10 years ago I broke my neck and had to have some major surgery to repair it. When all was said and done I think the Doctor,hospital,rehab and what not bills all totaled somewhere around $100,000. Now is my spinal chord worth more than Evans
car?..... I like to think so but apparently not. Sometimes I think our priorities have gotten way out of whack.

The only REAL question is.....Are you Happy????
If the answer is yes then your car is worth just as much as Evans
so go take a ride and enjoy it!

everyone have a good one,
Dan

Traveller · #57 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by REAL 1

I just return spit wads to their owners after directed in my direction.

I didn’t see anyone direct anything at you. Again, the discussion was about the value of the car posted for sale on Ebay. Why you choose to take that personally is beyond me.

This is nothing more than juvenile playground antics. Shooting spitballs and measuring dicks.

Look, all of us that own a “Fake” (non-CSX) car knows his Cobra is a replica so what’s your point?

That yours is better? OK

That yours is “real”? Well, I’ll go along with that too but it seems to me you’re arguing that point to the wrong audience.

What you need to do is go to this years SAAC, and when they line up the “original” Cobras for the group photo tell them that you want your “real” Cobra in the photo too.

Good luck.

Gary Morris · #58 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 10:12 AM

Evan....If you wanted a "Real Cobra" and not just something that looked like one why did you even waste your time with an ERA? They were making CSX's before you bought an ERA. I've read some interesting stories on car shows you have attended on another forum. It's funny how all this $hit goes back and forth here....who cares? Here in Texas this B/S never comes up and we have CSX's in our group and it has nothing to do with is yours real or anything close....just usually means thier pockets are a little deeper. So far.....I have never seen anyone walk away with head down and disappointed to find out that any car in our group is not a 'REAL" cobra. I think 99 percent of the people out there gives a hoot who made it. It looks like Cobra, runs like Cobra, sounds like a Cobra and they wish they had one.

PSB · #59 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by Excaliber

I really don't believe there is anyone in here who would turn down a CSX car if the opportunity to own one came up for them. Such statements to the contrary are, in my opinion, nothing more than "sour grapes". If I owned one you can BET someone like you would think I had an "attitude" problem because I WOULD stand up for the FACTS.

Ernie

Ernie,

I personally would not buy a CSX 4000 series over a Kirkham. If I had the money to buy an aluminum car - I'd buy the Kirkham. At least as good in quality (probably better, but I won't go into that) and MUCH cheaper. I'm quite sure that there are many Kirkham owners who could have afforded a CSX and chose not to.

Pete

REAL 1 · #60 (**permalink**) 05-07-2003, 10:44 AM

Traveler: Of course you didn't see any spit balls directed in my direnction

Its amazing how everyone here only sees barbs coming from CSX owners. What a joke. I don't take it personally when others "laugh" at the asking price CSX owners are asking for their car and then suggest that the real value is almost half the asking price. Gee, why would anyone ever think that was a smear as to CSX's ??? Get real. Those throwing what are clearly intended insults don't like some of the responses they get. Its a two way street here my friend. TS.

Gary Morris: I got an ERA because I thought they were a great car. I decided to sell when I decided I wanted a Shelby Cobra. Its just that simple.

As to stories being told about car shows I attended, thats funny because I haven't been to any car shows in about 2 years except one or two last summer and only one of which was attended by some people active on this forum. That show was uneventful with the exception of my sharing first place with another car. Two faced sissies and school girls like to talk behind others backs.