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06-03-2003, 10:21 AM
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Renegade Nuns on Wheels
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SAI add in Kit Car
After the long and infamous "your car is an embarrasment" thread. It it now time to talk about the new SAI add in this months issue of Kit Car.
No not really any thing to talk about here! The news is good! This time the add sells up the SAI product instead of insulting the competition! Applause please!
Much more appealing add there SAI! It actually made me think about buying one where the last add made me not want to buy one! (actually had always dreamed of owning one until that last add!)
Then again, they did call them 'original' 
Lets not have any debate here. Just a pat on the back for SAI for a nice add.
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06-03-2003, 12:38 PM
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Haven't seen the ad. Can someone post a copy of it?
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06-03-2003, 12:42 PM
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Real 1,
You'll settle for a copy instead of the real thing?
Sorry, I just couldn't resist...
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06-03-2003, 12:43 PM
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I don't have a way to do that but it was something to the effect of why buy a replica when you can have an original. It talks about the services they offer and resale/investment. Good ad!
Rick
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06-03-2003, 02:29 PM
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Thanks. I'll pick up the issue.
CowtownCobra: Very cute.
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06-03-2003, 05:13 PM
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pg 61, july 03 issue, kit car magazine...
hmmmm....lets just say there are still some editorial liberties being taken in this adv which states :
* "only true original cobra available today" ...say what ? original ? don't think so, not built in the 60s
* "why buy a replica when you can buy an original"...say what ? original ? dont think so , not built in the 60s. it is a REPLICA, plain and simple
* " original instrumentation" ...oh really, just found some NOS laying around from the 60s , eh ?
* "invest in your future by buying the real thing "...well, future value is questionable for any replica relative to purchase price..however, this is at least the 'real' thing, a 'real' shelby replica, but NOT original. pay your price and take your chance, like all replicas. mileage may vary, results may differ as the attorneys like to caution us...
someone said 'service they offer' was mentioned. not in the adv i saw.
no reference in the adv that the car is available as a do it yourself kit or completed roller by the way, ie, without engine/drivetrain. conversely, no mention that it is there either, but " performance upgrades available" to some might infer power train vs whatever else.
i dont intend to pick fly crap out of pepper, but this adv still leaves a few smiles re adv copy when i read it...hey, i am not a flamer. the adv is less antagonistic than before but i dont buy it ! ya can't perfume all the pigs, some of them still smell is what my PR friends tell me.
bill...
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06-04-2003, 06:27 AM
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Hang on! I am going to get some popcorn. Be right back!
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06-04-2003, 06:35 AM
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rdorman
Will that popcorn be Jumbo size? Or will this thread only be a large?
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06-04-2003, 06:42 AM
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Size?
There we go again with size! 
Actually, I am thinking a medium with extra butter!
I agree on the whole orginal issue. REAL, yep. Original, nope. But hey, just my opinion!
I feel this add was a BIG step in the right direction!
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06-04-2003, 07:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bill Wells
pg 61, july 03 issue, kit car magazine...
hmmmm....lets just say there are still some editorial liberties being taken in this adv which states :
* "only true original cobra available today" ...say what ? original ? don't think so, not built in the 60s
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Bill,
It may not be an original by your standards, but I would think you might agree that it is an original Shelby Cobra (albeit a replica of the original 60's version).
You say Tomato, I say tomato (I guess that doesn't translate well via the web).
Regards,
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06-04-2003, 07:13 AM
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Good point
Never thought of it that way Keith. It is an Original Shelby Cobra, but not an Original Shelby Cobra 
That worked out like the tomato, tomato thing didn't it!
"A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet" smart man.
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06-04-2003, 07:25 AM
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O.K.... being just a FFR owner and all.. for the life of me I really don't understand..
When they came out with the monte carlo and then stopped making it and then came out with it a few years later, no one said any thing.. same thing with thunderbird and a lot of other cars..
Now with the cobra it came out in 64-67 took a few years off and then came back out in the 00's.. So, whats the differecne
Now if you want to see a really cool add look on the back page of the latest kit car mag....heheheheh
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06-04-2003, 07:34 AM
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rdorman/keith : naw, no sale. not into spelling bees here and not a farmer, but tomatoe or tomato, its a rotten analogy, like rotten tomatoes..pick your spelling.
re 427 style : if you were going to pay $250-350k for an original shelby you would expect it to be a csx 3000 series, non continuation as built in the 60s. IN THE SIXTIES , period. that is orginal. same applies to the csx 2000 cars for the 260/289 series, originals were built in the 60s .
now , there are two aluminum bodied shelbys on ebay today for $100k +/- with and without engines ...why dont you pay them $250-350k for those originals ? ah hah ! cuz they are REPLICA's..REAL SHELBY's but REAL REPLICAS's...plain and simple.
yep, real but NOT original...only originals were built in the 60s...
now those two ebay 4000 series sellers would welcome your $250-350k offers though.
bill , can't grow vegetables or spel wurth a durned, but can tell the difference between real copies and real originals.
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06-04-2003, 07:51 AM
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Come on!
Give it a rest will yah! I beleive I said real, yes, original no. Everybody and there brother knows the difference and which is worth what. I would not offer 250-300K for a new Shelby Cobra, nor a Superformance for that matter! Is the add completely truthful as we see it, no. But it is a he!! of a lot better than the last one! Not braking any new ground here. As time goes by I have more and more empathy for Evan (aka REAL 1).
"Bush annouces Club Cobra peace plans. News at 11."
"ah hah ! cuz they are REPLICA's..."
wow 
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06-04-2003, 07:55 AM
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Bill,
Okay I see your point. and i a basically agree with you. Yes they are not the original 60's car, and priced at a steep discount from them, and no no one should think of them as of that vintage.
I then got out my trusTy dictionary and found the definition of
"Original - n, that from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made."
ThereFore they can not be originals - does that then beg the question of any other car than very first cars of the CSX 2000 and CSX 3000 series being copies of the "Originals"???
They are REAL Shelby Cobra's though - just new ones. 
I am so confused.
Thanks for the clarification.
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06-04-2003, 08:20 AM
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I love how fast this thread... which was started by a guy who saw an ad in a magazine that pi$$ed him off. He immediatly(in no uncertain terms) voiced his opinion (which resulted in another big long sometimes ugly but always entertaining thread) and almost single handedly (IMHO) got the ad changed from a slap in the face us replica owners to a more typical ad that does not try to offend the core of intended consumers.... has morphed into another REAL vs ORIGINAL debate.
I usually try to stay out of these threads but here goes...
To me it seems pretty simple.
1. my car is a replica
2. Evans and Turks cars are REAL Shelby cobras
3. Anything with a csx2000 or csx3000 number are REAL ORIGINAL cobras.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Now if we really want to get technical there is only ONE ORIGINAL
Cobra and it had a 260ci motor everything after that is a copy. 
Have a good one,
Dan
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06-04-2003, 08:44 AM
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This Bud's for you!
You ask for no debate but sometimes you get one anyways!
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06-04-2003, 09:28 AM
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It's really simple, I don't understand how so many people don't get it.
If Shelby builds it, it's a Shelby Car. In this case it is the only real Shelby Cobra available on the market today. The Ad is in fact "accurate".
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06-04-2003, 10:56 AM
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Right on, Ernie
Real simple if you don't like CS, SAI, the Cobra's they build, or their ad copy--good for you it's your opinion--but why rant on something you'll never be able to change Just don't read the ad--
Why do some always have to turn this into a Bash/Debate
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06-04-2003, 11:28 AM
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I don't think anybody would ever expect to pay 300k for a 03' shelby... but! what would it be worth in the year 2050...
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