Weber Look A Like Fuel Injection!

[rokndad]

Originally Posted by razerwire

rokndad SORRY 209-602-8645 not 9. Was going to put on Bennett push rod suspension car but decided to use n.o.s. original sidewinder ,1 four barrel. Going backwards?

I'm just a bystander. Rodknock (Rodney) is interested in your setup. Send him an email with the particulars. Yeah, I know our user names get confusing. He's a lot younger and better looking. But I'm just guessing.

[Garage10]

D-Cell
Sorry to not be more specific. Wondering what total cost and all parts needed would be and how it is performing. What computer options there are.
Thanks
Brent

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rokndad

I'm just a bystander. Rodknock (Rodney) is interested in your setup. Send him an email with the particulars. Yeah, I know our user names get confusing. He's a lot younger and better looking. But I'm just guessing.

No need to guess, you're correct sir.

Just doing a little due diligence.

[D-CEL]

Brent,

The last quote I received from Brian at Kinsler was just $5890.00
The breakdown is below
injection manifold assembly 3,972.25
Optional 3.0” throttle bores 210.00
aluminum fuel rails and hardware 492.60
Manifold Absolute Pressure Reference Log System 251.85
ACCEL/DFI dual trigger small cap distributor 348.80
Labor, to drill each manifold runner for 10-32 thread for IAC 105.00
Jackshaft “Swing Set” throttle Linkage kit; 509.90

You will also need the fuel system. The cost of the fuel system is up to you. If you bought all high end parts, you could spend $2500.00, if your thrifty you might be able to get it done for $1200.00 or less? Aeromotive does a universal kit for about $1400 that (they claim) will support 700hp. I assume that is a N/A hp number.
Typically, the system will consist of:
Fuel pump
Two filters
Fuel pressure regulator
Lines and fittings
Fittings
Relays and wiring

the EFI controller and Injectors
There are so many controllers out there now, its hard to know which direction to go.
Because im trying to make a big HP number, I like the Big Stuff 3, and the Accel/DFI gen 7+ based on the specs and input from my tuner. I have heard from a couple of my late model mustang friends that that FAST XFI is very good.
Everybody I have talked to says the wide band 02 sensor options are worth the extra money.
Theses ECMS run about $2000-$2500.
The fuel injectors run from $250-$500.00 depending on your fuel needs

Yea 10K sounds close. Needless to say it is not inexpensive.
I haven’t spoken to anyone that actually drives or races with one, so I can’t comment. Sounds like one of us will be the first! LOL

Jason

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by razerwire

rokndad SORRY 209-602-8645 not 9. Was going to put on Bennett push rod suspension car but decided to use n.o.s. original sidewinder ,1 four barrel. Going backwards?

Sorry razerwire, I just re-read your post and I now notice that your manifold is polished. If I make the switch to EFI, then I believe I'll want a factory-like cast aluminum finish.

[Garage10]

D-Cell
Thanks for the info. I just recieved an e-mail from Brian at kesler. You were pretty close in your est. price. That's too rich for my blood right now or probably ever. It add's up to about $4K more than a twm or dynatek sytem as far as I can tell. But, don't quote me.

[D-CEL]

Brent,

I was looking at the TWM system initially, it just doesn't have the flow I’ve convinced myself I need LOL.
The fuel system and ECM being the same, the difference in cost is less than you might think. In my price I have optioned 3” throttle bores that add $210.00 and a dual sync Distributor for $348.00
If you remove that from the $5890.00 the cost is $5332.00 vs $4675.00 for the TWM (http://www.thormotorsports1.com/) that’s $657.00.
I think the TWM comes with the Fuel pressure regulator, if so you’d need to add that to the Kinsler cost.

I know, I put to much time into this stuff!! LOL
You should see what im learning about dry sumps!! lol

Jason

[Neil O]

Hi all. This is probably not the best place for an intro, but I'll go ahead anyway.....
I have a Crendon 427SC which is running with a Southern Automotive built sideoiler FE. Currently the car has a Holley 750 carb.
I am waiting for delivery of a complete Dynatek FI system at the moment (rightly or wrongly).
Once I get it installed, I will keep you all informed as to the differences that I find. I will give you the "warts and all" information, as it may help others to decide which direction to take.

Neil

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Neil O

Hi all. This is probably not the best place for an intro, but I'll go ahead anyway.....
I have a Crendon 427SC which is running with a Southern Automotive built sideoiler FE. Currently the car has a Holley 750 carb.
I am waiting for delivery of a complete Dynatek FI system at the moment (rightly or wrongly).
Once I get it installed, I will keep you all informed as to the differences that I find. I will give you the "warts and all" information, as it may help others to decide which direction to take.

Neil

Hi Neil!, and I'm glad you posted.

What ECU did you order, or did you know you have a choice?

Dynatek standard is the Pantera EFI ECU (this is what I have), and I would like to know what options in the way of an ECU selection you can get from Dynatek.

The reason I ask is that your dyno/tuner may "like" one ECU, or be familiar with one or another ECU and you may be able to get that brand or model, saving a learning curve on the dyno.

Eric

[ALLEN ENGLISH]

Well my engine is done and the car is scheduled to be finished by June. I will be able to update what my impressions of the system are some time after that.

I know two people that have the DynaTek system and they have both gave it the thumbs up

Here is my motor on the dyno:

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Neil O

Hi all. This is probably not the best place for an intro, but I'll go ahead anyway.....
I have a Crendon 427SC which is running with a Southern Automotive built sideoiler FE. Currently the car has a Holley 750 carb.
I am waiting for delivery of a complete Dynatek FI system at the moment (rightly or wrongly).
Once I get it installed, I will keep you all informed as to the differences that I find. I will give you the "warts and all" information, as it may help others to decide which direction to take.

Neil

Hi Neil,

Welcome! Yes, I would like an update when you get your system up and running. The more evaluations the better. I've heard some success with small block Fords, but I haven't heard more than just Eric's (Great Asp) car, in terms of FE's. Personally, I need more FE feedback. I'm in the process of evaluating EFI systems and the Dynatek is at the head of the list with TWM trailing right behind.

You may or may not want to start you own thread though, although this would be a good place too. Looking forward to your install.

[Garage10]

Hi everyone
Just to let you know. I sent dynatek an e-mail asking a few ? about a system for a 460 on apr 11/09 and still have not had a response from them. Not sure how many people work there but you would think a response within a week would be achievable. Not real great potential customer service. Eric, how did you find their customer service ?
Thanks
Brent

[RodKnock]

I've emailed Dynatek in the past and would always receive a response within 24 hours.

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Garage10

Hi everyone
Just to let you know. I sent dynatek an e-mail asking a few ? about a system for a 460 on apr 11/09 and still have not had a response from them. Not sure how many people work there but you would think a response within a week would be achievable. Not real great potential customer service. Eric, how did you find their customer service ?
Thanks
Brent

Brent, despite the issues we had during start-up and tuning, they always picked up the phone or answered e-mails promptly. Richard was in the mountains for a while between LA and Vegas, but he had no cell service. I would have to rate their customer service as "high".

Call their number and ask for Thomas Hank at Dynatek, he can get you started.

Eric

[Neil O]

Thanks for the welcomes guys.

Eric, no, I didn't know there was a choice of ECU. Didn't even realise that I should have asked.....doh.
The tuning information Tom sent me looked pretty straight forward and he has loaded it with a base map that he says will be very close to what I need.
My dyno guy has the paperwork at the moment and hasn't suggested any problems so far....

RodKnock, I will probably start a new thread with the install and findings etc. No doubt it will wander off topic like all threads tend to (I'm one of the worst).
I can assure you my true thoughts will be expressed on the thread. I am not connected to any FI manufacturer (I'm a book binder) and have no axe to grind about carbs.

[RodKnock]

As it relates to FE's, I too was unaware of ECU choices. One TWM dealer sells the FAST XFI with their kits, but another TWM dealer offers other choices like Electromotive and Haltech. I need to do more research, plenty of time to do that, and see if those ECU choices will work with the Dynatek system as well.

D-CELL, you mentioned you wanted more flow than the TWM offered, although they offer many different injector sizes from small to large and they have 58mm throttle bores. If I may ask, what are your engine specs? Those throttle bodies look really big.

[Ken Oikawa]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Those throttle bodies look really big.

3 in = 76.2 mm bore. They're huge !

My 2 7/16 in = 62 mm bore for Hilborn.

[DougD]

For those with Webers, what fuel pressure are you running?

[priobe]

average is 3 - 3.5 psi

[Great Asp]

Neil,

I did not know I had a choice in ECU's, and could not tell you specifically that there is anything wrong with the standard unit.

But per e-mails recently back and forth with Dynatek's Thomas Hank, I discovered that they have an upgraded ECU available, and as I posted above the guy making the wiring harnesses for Dynatek said he could make the harness for a FAST ECU if I wanted it.

The only reason I bring it up is that someone here might like one brand ECU over another, and I do not believe Dynatek cares if you want "Brand-X" ECU.

Food for thought

Eric