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04-23-2008, 03:24 PM
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Request help authenticating a part
I recently came into possession of a grill. It was given by a reputable source who described it as being an original grill from a 60's era 289 cobra.
It has been in storage for many years and has not been cleaned, but a small sample spot shined up nicely. It appears to be hand made in stainless steel.
Should there be a stamped identification number on it somewhere?
Neil
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04-23-2008, 03:37 PM
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It certainly looks like an original part. (ERA makes an aluminum repro.) I wouldn't count on there being a part number stamped on it though.
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04-23-2008, 03:56 PM
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Neil keeping your post active. Hope you get good feedback on your grill.
Jerry (from RIT) 
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04-23-2008, 04:39 PM
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It is a grille for an AC Greyhound coupe.  But if you turn it upside-down, it becomes a 260/289 MK II grille!  |
04-23-2008, 05:05 PM
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I think you will find it is made of aluminum not stainless. 
As Mark IV mentioned, you can use it as a smile or a frown  |
04-24-2008, 12:28 PM
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Grille Clarification
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It is a grille for an AC Greyhound coupe. But if you turn it upside-down, it becomes a 260/289 MK II grille! |
Hi.
Just to be sure, I understand from your reply to my inquiry that the grille is actually made for an AC Greyhound Coupe, but by chance, will also fit a 260/289 MK II if mounted upside down?
In sum, it is not a original cobra grille. Correct?
Oh well, I was hoping.
Also, what's the best way to determine the material it's constructed from?
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04-24-2008, 12:49 PM
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No,
That was my smart-ass answer. The Greyhoud and Cobra grilles ARE the same, the late AC Ace/MK II Cobra use the greyhound grille mounted upside down. One of ACs "cost savings" that still looked good!
See Trevors latest book "Cobra, the first 40 years" for pictures that confirm this fact.
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04-24-2008, 12:55 PM
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Hi.
Just to be sure, I understand from your reply to my inquiry that the grille is actually made for an AC Greyhound Coupe, but by chance, will also fit a 260/289 MK II if mounted upside down?
In sum, it is not a original cobra grille. Correct?
Oh well, I was hoping.
Also, what's the best way to determine the material it's constructed from?
Thanks,
Neil
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Sorry if we confused you. The grill is for a 260/289 Cobra.
Rather then design a new grill for the Cobra, AC used remaining grills from the earlier AC Greyhound. They turned it upside down and it became the grill for very early Cobras. Since the folded ‘tabs’ were now pointing up instead of down, AC modified the design for the remaining production of leaf spring Cobras.
Notice that your grill has the tabs pointing down, thus it was built for a Cobra not a Greyhound.
The nose of the Cobra was somewhat 'fitted' to the grill. This will sometimes make exchanging a grill from one car to another difficult.
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04-24-2008, 01:07 PM
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I know of an original set of seat belts from a 427 cobra, are they worth acquiring?.
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04-24-2008, 01:20 PM
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I know of an original set of seat belts from a 427 cobra, are they worth acquiring?.
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I guess there can be several answers to your question. I think you first have to answer these questions - Do you have an original Cobra needing seat belts?
- Do you know someone with an original Cobra that needs belts?
- Are you trying to find someone with an original Cobra that needs belts?
- Do you want to install them in a different car? If so why? They are 40+ year old (2 point) belts.
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04-24-2008, 03:55 PM
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AC Greyhound
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04-24-2008, 06:38 PM
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The original 289 grille is a valuable item for an owner of an original 289 that needs one. If a magnet sticks to it, it isn't aluminum. This looks like an original to me. E-Bay would possibly be a good place to sell it. Regarding the seatbelts, those too are rare and would be desirable to an owner of an original car, but I would hesitate to trust my life to 40 year old belts. Most racing series require belt replacement every 2-3 years.
Those begin said, I would be interested in the original belts for one of my cars.
Jim
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04-24-2008, 07:46 PM
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My Final Grille questions, maybe...
I am overwhelmed by the helpful responses to my questions. I especially like the tongue in cheek replies too 
Since I have only the grille, and am unlikely to acquire the rest of the car, I think I may sell it. I really don't have the slightest idea what it's worth.
Any ball park value suggestions out there?
Would a savvy purchaser prefer to clean it themselves, or should I shine it up?
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04-25-2008, 03:42 AM
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No, no, no and no. Sorry I ask!........
QUOTE A-Snake;837866]I guess there can be several answers to your question. I think you first have to answer these questions
[*]Do you have an original Cobra needing seat belts?[*]Do you know someone with an original Cobra that needs belts?[*]Are you trying to find someone with an original Cobra that needs belts?[*]Do you want to install them in a different car? If so why? They are 40+ year old (2 point) belts.
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04-25-2008, 05:54 AM
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No, no, no and no. Sorry I ask!........
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427 S/O,
There's nothing to be sorry about,  asking questions is part of a forum.
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04-25-2008, 06:20 AM
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A magnet test is not adequate for differentiating between plastic and stainless. A magnet will not adhere to either. It will adhere to a carbon steel based product. If if feels like plastic, it's plastic.
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04-25-2008, 06:40 AM
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A magnet test is not adequate for differentiating between plastic and stainless. A magnet will not adhere to either. It will adhere to a carbon steel based product. If if feels like plastic, it's plastic.
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I believe it was a question as to whether it was stainless or aluminum, not plastic. Some stainless can be magnetic, it depends on the elements added to the alloy. I believe it's the addition of nickel that can change stainless from magnetic to nonmagnetic. |
04-26-2008, 10:20 AM
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Grille for sale on EBay
Well, now that I know my grille is the 'Real McCoy', I'm faced with either acquiring the rest of the car to go with the grille, or sell it. I've chosen the selling option.
I've posted it on EBay and it can be seen by going to the following URL:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MESE:IT&ih=002
Thanks for all the wise advice!
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