Continuation CSX a "Kit car"?

[Kzof]

Originally Posted by tmareina

Bottom line...if it wasn't made by Shelby before 1968 then it is not Original, as his last year of initial production was 1967 (I almost bought one in 1967...too bad so sad). Anything after that is a replica...no matter who made it. You'll obviously get more on resale if your replica was made by Shelby...but it is still a replica. Are they all Real? I say YES.

Tom

Agreed and I DO own a CSX

[Nedsel]

I'm not about to open up a fresh can of worms by commenting on the main issue here, because I do not own a continuation, kit, replica, or other form of car being discussed. However, I will point out that, in response to the question "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" all it takes is some basic thought to determine it had to be the rooster. Just trying to help.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

"Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" all it takes is some basic thought to determine it had to be the rooster. Just trying to help.

Uh-huh, surely you remember from high school that the chicken evolved from egg-laying reptiles....

[Bernica]

It's a Cobra, built by Shelby American, with a real CSX number and in the registry. Sure, time has gone by and technology and business have changed. I'm kind of glad for some of the changes or I would be scared even more sh__less driving CSX 4250.

[Slither]

Here in Arizona, my Historic plates can be re-registered on a one OR two year basis.

[jmimac351]

You know, now that I think of Boss 302 mustangs and those are worth a lot of money, suddenly I feel much better about my '92 Mustang LX coupe since it's also "real". Isn't that the bottom line here? The subtle (and sometimes not) references to the tremendous value of "original" cobras and how that must have some bearing on what was made for me just recently and; therefore, how mine is better than yours and I need to make sure you understand that? The reason some CSX guys catch grief is because they are constantly trying to oversell and people see right thru it. "No Fake", "Real 1", etc.

They are beautiful cars and it's a shame their owners can't just let them stand on their own merit. It's like the overzealous parent at the baseball game. They ain't the same thing and don't tell me that's not what you want the uniformed observer to believe.

When the market says they are the same, then everyone will recognize the value and prominence you wish they had. Otherwise, just try to enjoy the car.

For crying out loud. Time to make some coffee.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by jmimac351

The reason some CSX guys catch grief is because they are constantly trying to oversell and people see right thru it. "No Fake", "Real 1", etc.

It's like the overzealous parent at the baseball game.

Why does it have to be an overzealous parent. Can't we just be proud parents of what our cars are?

I don't try to oversell anything. My car is a real Shelby Cobra, and I am proud to display such. Doesn't mean I think of myself or my car as better than anyone else. My car is what it is and I am proud of that. If other people don't agree, too bad.

[CSX 4039]

Originally Posted by jmimac351

The reason some CSX guys catch grief is because they are constantly trying to oversell and people see right thru it. "No Fake", "Real 1", etc.

Although you are possibly oblivious to this fact, you just became Evan's new poster child regarding blindside flaming of CSX owners.

Originally Posted by jmimac351

The reason some CSX guys catch grief is because they are constantly trying to oversell and people see right thru it. "No Fake", "Real 1", etc.

In contrast, I don't notice too many FFR owners getting flamed for putting "Carroll Shelby Motorcars" license plate frames on their cars, Shelby Cobra emblems on their hoods and trunks, or afixing Shelby Auto, Inc., Venice, CA VIN plates to their cars...

Pay your money, make your choice
Pay $50k, get a finished FFR kit,
Pay $150,000, get a finished authentic CSX roller,
Pay $1,500,000, get an historic orginal CSX manufactured vehicle.
I don't know who you are, and don't presume to know what you tell people about your car, (nor do I give a sh*t).
You don't know a thing about me, nor what I say about my car.
Not that it matters, but my current license plate number is a random number.
With more important issues, like NObama gonna be the next President, inflation gonna go thru the roof, and unemployment gonna skyrocket, who gives a f*ck? Not you, nor I.
Nice thread killer.

[RodKnock]

In California, everything not made to the current Federal Safety standards and does not meet CA smog requirements is called a SPCNS or Specially Constructed Vehicle, home made or kit car.

[Silverback51]

This is just the way I look at it, and explain it to people that ask.

An original is any car prior to 68.

A replica is a factory built car after 68 that resemblies an original. The extent of how closely it resemblies is an original is not that important to me. That is for the buyer to determine and decide on.

A kit is a car that is shipped in pieces to the owner/buyer and is assemblied by that person or a company that he/she has contracted to do the work.

Some companies sell both replicas and kit cars. I personally find some level of confidence in a replica over a kit car, due to the factory having some form of quality control in place during the manufacturing process. That generally will not exist in a home built kit car. Not saying that kit cars are bad. There are some very detail orientated people out there that will build a very high quality car. But then there are some that will just slap it together and call it good.

[Bill Bess]

Is this really an issue? it's a Cobra...thats what everyone calls them... "Hey there's a Cobra...ya that's a Cobra...I can tell, my dad showed me a picture of one".

Real, Kit..maybe, continuation car (dumb word to describe a Cobra),...Shelby, AC or whatever local name..all Cobra's

Whoopy Ye..it's a Cobra.

Bill

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Bill Bess

...continuation car (dumb word to describe a Cobra)

Man, ain't that the truth.

[Silverback51]

I'm really confused now. I thought this was a "Continuation" Cobra.

[Power Surge]

I don't see why it's a dumb word. It's a continuation of production. Shelby stopped production of the Cobra in 1968 and started again in 1996. What other word would you use to describe it?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

I don't see why it's a dumb word... What other word would you use to describe it?

Well, it does sound better than a "Continuance Cobra."

[Rich A]

Is the continuation CSX 4000 a Kit Car or "replica"?

Is it a "Kit Car"?
NO it is not a "Kit Car". a kit car is when you buy Parts from a manufacture and you assemble it yourself from the ground up.

Is it a "Replica"?
Yes it is a replica and so is every other Cobra that was not built in the 60s by AC/Shelby.

Is it a "Continuation Cobra".
No it is not a continuation Cobra, Ford has owned the Cobra trademark since the late 70s and the body is not provided by AC.

Is it an "Original Cobra".
No it is a Shelby, and since the body is not provided by AC, and Ford owns the Cobra trademark it is NOT an Original AC Shelby Cobra.

So what is a continuation CSX 4000?
It is a Shelby "Component Vehicle".

[Excaliber]

At least one CSX that I personally know of was literally a 'kit' car assembled by the owner himself from parts acquired from various sources. I suppose there may be others.

Goes back to pedigree I reckon. A Vegas assembled car vs a Mexican car vs assembled by a recognized Shelby dealer vs a 'home built'. The lines do get blurred along the way.

[CSX 4039]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

At least one CSX that I personally know of was literally a 'kit' car assembled by the owner himself from parts acquired from various sources. I suppose there may be others.

Goes back to pedigree I reckon. A Vegas assembled car vs a Mexican car vs assembled by a recognized Shelby dealer vs a 'home built'. The lines do get blurred along the way.

Maybe you could call the original 60's Cobra's "factory-built kits", since CS assembled parts and seemed to put in them whatever he had at the moment (427's/ 428's, whatever). A look at the shapes and specs sometimes seems like practically no two were the same...

SAAC calls the 60's cars "original" and the later vehicles "authentic", I believe....
Seems fair.

[RodKnock]

Ernie, I looked at purchasing a used CSX (#4750) and it was assembled as a kit here in the Bay Area.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Ernie, I looked at purchasing a used CSX (#4750) and it was assembled as a kit here in the Bay Area.

CSX4750 (which is currently 4855) was the first "4700 series" car, and was the first "roller" 4000 car, built by CAV.