Continuation CSX a "Kit car"?

[Wayne Maybury]

I want to know why no one has starting passing around the popcorn yet.

Wayne

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury

I want to know why no one has starting passing around the popcorn yet.

Wayne

Because we are all adults and can discuss this subject in a civilized manner.
There is no reason to get all heated up about it.
And if anyone can't then they are like this guy,

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury

I want to know why no one has starting passing around the popcorn yet.

Wayne

We're all getting older and popcorn has too much salt and butter. That's why.

[Nedsel]

Well, let's just say that at least most of us here are civilized. That presidential-looking guy in the suit, licking his cigar, I'm not all that sure about.

[REAL 1]

Yes the dictionary definition of replica is interesting.

So I guess CSX 2001 was a "replica" of 2000 etc...

This means that the only originals not "replicas" are the first of each series.

But we all know what the average guy is asking when he asks "is that a replica" i.e. is it Real or original.

Continuation series is a real/geniune Cobra but not of the original series. Not rocket science here guys.

Mr. Celby still hasn't provided us the definitional difference of words "real" and "genuine" nor explained why SAAC says the only difference in the original series and the continuation is time frame of maufacture. Hmmm. Wonder why Mr. Celby has stumbled here.

Also, Mr. Celby please stop trying to replicate your user name as a spin off of Carroll Shelby. Your trying to "replicate" a name thats not really yours. Thats disingenuious.

Also, Mr. Celby if you have a Cobra look a like and this goes for all the rest of you that don't own a Shelby that take exception to Continuation owners telling the average Joe that we have real Cobras you should stop telling the average Joe when the ask what your car is that they are "Cobras". There not. There "Cobra look a likes". If they want to see a Cobra you can send them my way, I have one. Otherwise you're being disingenuous.

Anyway. Its all there on the SAAC web site boys. Those that can read and understand english should get it, those who can't won't, many however who do understand english but really want a Shelby but can't get one will nevertheless continue with their specious arguments in trying to convince themselves the Continuation series is not real i.e. fake, a replica, a kit etc....whatever it takes to make themselves feel better. Knock yourselves out.

Same ol' same ol' at ol' CC

Glad theres none of this petty sour grapes crap on the FGT forum.

Enjoy.

[Nedsel]

Hmmm... according to that line of thinking, any car with a VIN of 001 is a real/original whatever, but anything with a later VIN is a replica, built on the same assembly line minutes after car #001. You said this wasn't rocket science, but let's get real.

The simple fact is that anything built to replicate something from years gone by is, well, a replica. Much as I like the new line of CSX cars, they are NOT a "1965 427 Cobra S/C." They are a replica of a 1965 427 Cobra S/C. Are they a genuine Shelby Cobra? Of course.

Is this really tough to grasp?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Hmmm...
Is this really tough to grasp?

OK, I think I've got it now... the new CSX cars are just as much a fake as my ERA, except they're made by Shelby, right?

[REAL 1]

Ned: Thats not according to my line of thinking, that was according to the dictionary definition you used. Now you don't want to use it?

What does "years later mean"? You say 1997. But after 1962 why can't we say those Cobras made years later in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 are replicas of the originals made in 1962 (CSX2000) and the first 3000 series?

Fact is the definitional use of "replica" is really not applicable here. We know what the average Joe means when he asks is it a "replica" and its not "Gee is that the same car made by the same manufacturer but after the original one"?

As I noted above SAAC spells it all out. The rest is just semantics.

One thing for sure...if its not a Shelby its NOT a Cobra but a car that looks like a Cobra. End game. (Limited exceptions as to some ACs).

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

One thing for sure...if its not a Shelby its NOT a Cobra but a car that looks like a Cobra. End game. (Limited exceptions as to some ACs).

As I said above, that's your opinion and it maybe SAAC's, but it isn't mine. My Kirkham is Cobra. Tough, that's my opinion.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

As I said above, that's your opinion and it maybe SAAC's, but it isn't mine. My Kirkham is Cobra. Tough, that's my opinion.

If you've got any guts at all, you'll meet Real 1 behind the playground after school and settle this once and for all....

[saltytri]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

What does "years later mean"? You say 1997. But after 1962 why can't we say those Cobras made years later in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 are replicas of the originals made in 1962 (CSX2000) and the first 3000 series?

That is an embarrassingly lame argument. Real, you're Really sounding like a devious lawyer or, heaven forbid, Hillary Clinton doing her pathetically transparent spinning routine.

Everyone who has at least a couple of brain cells rubbing together knows that Real Cobras were made in a more-or-less continuous production run from 1962 to 1967. Unless it was spit out by Shelby in those years, it's a fake, notwithstanding the efforts of a small group of stubborn people who seek financial gain and/or a much-needed ego boost by contending otherwise (again, certain leeway is reasonably allowed for a very small number of AC cars produced close in time to the relevant period).

[Sharroll Celby]

One thing for sure...if its not a Shelby its NOT a Cobra but a car that looks like a Cobra. End game. (Limited exceptions as to some ACs).[/quote]

Just to throw a monkey wrench into the works, (and correct me IF I am wrong), but doesnt Ford Motor Company OWN the rights to the name "Cobra"?And if Ford DOES own the name "Cobra", unless a vehicle is built BY FORD and called a "Cobra", then anything else CANNOT be called a "Cobra".

The apoplectic plot thickens.........

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The simple fact is that anything built to replicate something from years gone by is, well, a replica. Much as I like the new line of CSX cars, they are NOT a "1965 427 Cobra S/C." They are a replica of a 1965 427 Cobra S/C. Are they a genuine Shelby Cobra? Of course.

Is this really tough to grasp?

Not at all. That's it in a nutshell. I agree 100%. My car is a replica of an original car. AND, it's a real Shelby Cobra.

But just as members here point out what's being asked when people ask if it's a "real" Cobra, the same can be said for what are people asking when they ask if it's a replica, or kit car.

If they are asking if it's a replica or a kit car, they are asking if it's another brand of Cobra. And it's not. It's a Shelby. So when people ask if it's a replica, no, it's not. It IS a replica in the written definition of the word, but it's not a replica when it's being asked, because we know what people are asking.

And don't try to argue this, because this is the SAME arguement that is put forth by the nay-sayers when people ask if it's a real Cobra. Yes, 99% of them are asking if it's a 60s car, because they don't know any different. It IS a real Shelby Cobra by written definition, but not in the sense of what's being asked.

So what does all this translate to? In written definition form, it's exactly what Ned wrote above. In reality (car show questions), you MUST answer both questions with a footnote to be truthful. If asked if my car is a real Shelby, I answer "yes, it's a real Shelby, but not an original 60s car". If they ask to explain, I am happy to. If they ask if it's a replica, I say "no, it's a real Shelby". If they ask to explain, I am happy to.

Unfortunately for Evan, other CSX owners, and all the CSX nay-sayers, you can argue until you are blue in the face, but the fact is that there IS a cut and dry written definition on what the car is, and there IS NOT a cut and dry definition when being asked in person. There must always be a footnote attached to answer each question truthfully.

That's my 2 cents on a very worn out subject.

[Wayne Maybury]

OK, let's really cut to the chase. Most non-Cobraphiles (is that a word?) know that Cobras were originally made in the 60's and that there have been many replicas (call them kits, call them FPSB's, call them whatever) produced in the past several years. When a fellow looks at a Cobra and asks if it is real, he is really asking "Is it an original made in the 60's or is it some some of kit / replica / etc?" He doesn't know that FFR has made more Cobra type cars than $helby has, or that Superformance Cobras are rollers made in South Africa, or that $helby is making Cobras again, or any of this stuff.

I was at the DVSF several years ago and there were 200+ "Cobras" parked in the street. A fellow asked me if mine was real. I explained that it was a replica just like the other 200+ that were there. He said "Oh no, I just spoke to someone who said his was a real Cobra so there is at least one real one here". I replied that to the best of my knowledge there was no original Cobra at this event. He certainly was under the impression that he had just talked to the owner of a real original Cobra.

Wayne

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes the dictionary definition of replica is interesting.

So I guess CSX 2001 was a "replica" of 2000 etc...

This means that the only originals not "replicas" are the first of each series.

But we all know what the average guy is asking when he asks "is that a replica" i.e. is it Real or original.

Continuation series is a real/geniune Cobra but not of the original series. Not rocket science here guys.

Mr. Celby still hasn't provided us the definitional difference of words "real" and "genuine" nor explained why SAAC says the only difference in the original series and the continuation is time frame of maufacture. Hmmm. Wonder why Mr. Celby has stumbled here.

Also, Mr. Celby please stop trying to replicate your user name as a spin off of Carroll Shelby. Your trying to "replicate" a name thats not really yours. Thats disingenuious.

Also, Mr. Celby if you have a Cobra look a like and this goes for all the rest of you that don't own a Shelby that take exception to Continuation owners telling the average Joe that we have real Cobras you should stop telling the average Joe when the ask what your car is that they are "Cobras". There not. There "Cobra look a likes". If they want to see a Cobra you can send them my way, I have one. Otherwise you're being disingenuous.

Anyway. Its all there on the SAAC web site boys. Those that can read and understand english should get it, those who can't won't, many however who do understand english but really want a Shelby but can't get one will nevertheless continue with their specious arguments in trying to convince themselves the Continuation series is not real i.e. fake, a replica, a kit etc....whatever it takes to make themselves feel better. Knock yourselves out.

Same ol' same ol' at ol' CC

Glad theres none of this petty sour grapes crap on the FGT forum.

Enjoy.

From what I hear you never drive yours anywhere so when do you ever have to answer the question "Is it a real one"?

[REAL 1]

Naumoff: Only idiots rely on hearsay to base judgments on.

You're more then welcome to drop on by and look at the odo on the old girl yourself and draw your own conclusion.

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Naumoff: Only idiots rely on hearsay to base judgments on.

You're more then welcome to drop on by and look at the odo on the old girl yourself and draw your own conclusion.

I have been called worse. But I did think it was funny.
Are you driving out to the Cobra Revolution this Saturday?

Oh yeah, Putting her up on jack stands and acting like your driving down the road doesn't count for real driving.

[lineslinger]

Originally Posted by Naumoff

I have been called worse. But I did think it was funny.
Are you driving out to the Cobra Revolution this Saturday?

Oh yeah, Putting her up on jack stands and acting like your driving down the road doesn't count for real driving.

Tony!!
Still LMAO

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Naumoff: Only idiots rely on hearsay to base judgments on.

You're more then welcome to drop on by and look at the odo on the old girl yourself and draw your own conclusion.

Evan-
Has your odometer finally passed your current post count? I bet if we added in your post count from the old "Evan H." or "Evan Harris" user names in wouldn't even be close!

And Tony raises an intersting question- you want to drive down to Washington's Crossing Saturday? You can meet up with Wheaton, me and some of the other guys- you're only 1 town over from me, we can meet up easily.

[ENTDOC]

Evan , you would enjoy that thing more if you scratched it up a bit, come on , it isn't a Ming vase or anything, use it. Your kids will not appreciate it and will tear the crap out of it within 3 hours of your funeral.