FFR vs Superformance - Page 3

vettestr · #1 (**permalink**) 08-07-2007, 11:36 PM

Hey Mulv,
I know you have owned and driven many different Cobras/Cars. You have also driven one of my Cobray's for Kit Car magazine and tracked Cobras on many occasions. So I gotta ask how the Cobray would fare against the Caddy?

Mulv · #2 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 05:41 AM

Blue66 · #3 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulv

good one !!!!

TerrysSPF · #4 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 06:24 AM

Hey Mulv, if I had a potent SB stroker and some 17" rubber I would take you up on your offer.

I've driven a stock GT Stang and it didn't impress me much. I've also watched guys (in SB SPF's) dust stock Mustangs all day long at different tracks. I've never had my SPF on a road course, but I've driven my buddy's Noble on one. -Now THERE'S a car that can handle.
I constantly dust my brother-in-law in his pumped up CTS-V with no problems (racing around Chicago highways)...........does that count?

As far as the SPF's Doug Reed and Dennis Olthoff drove, I don't recall any major upgrades over stock on those vehicles. I believe Olthoff's car had the upgraded anti-roll bars (thicker) as well as Olthoff's (now famous) Bilstein upgrade - both of which are available for SPF owners from the Olthoff's.

If Steven's buddy want's a car for racing on a road course, then IMO, he shouldn't be looking at ANY Cobra replica's (except perhaps JBL). If I were him, I would concentrate on a Noble or a Brock Coupe. If he's sold on the "look" of a Cobra, then he can't go wrong with any of the replica's mentioned by ALL of us on this thread. -At that point he just needs to figure out if he wants to build it himself, or have a roller delivered to his door.

BT SNAKE · #5 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 09:29 AM

You want to see a mean track cadillac ? well go here and see my good friend Jeff Schartz' 82 Caddy. He smoked a bunch of Cobras on the track at Road America.

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/cadillac.htm

Hersh

Fitz · #6 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 10:36 AM

Carl, Karl, Karly, Bronze Retired Boy;;;,,what was your ET? 10.what?

Karl Bebout · #7 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 03:33 PM

10.74 @125 was the best so far. I'm anxious to get out to the strip again, when they've done some track prep. The last time I was there was for the Scottsdale Exotic Car Club meet and the track was 'way loose. Hoping to make it towards the end of October or early November.

vettestr · #8 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 04:37 PM

There is much more to a car than just their ET although that is major points in the WOW column, My car with the Big Block runs in the mid 10 's too but it is also about the big picture.
I would love to throw the big inch engine in a roller and come play with you Karlos, either way you will need to get a new boy to take your beatings from the ET Police.
I would like to see some club competitions and maybe an Auto cross and road course thing happen under the club sponsorship,

greg schroeder · #9 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vettestr

I would like to see some club competitions and maybe an Auto cross and road course thing happen under the club sponsorship,

This winter the Scottsdale Exotic Car Club will have many events at the drag strip and tracks with corners. Nobody is really trying to win, but it is fun and you can go as slow or fast as you like. It's all in fun.

davids · #10 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 06:47 PM

I'll bet on Hersh and lay you guys odds....Dave

BPWilliams · #11 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 09:02 PM

OK, first of all talk is cheap. Anyone interested in setting up a track day let me know and it will be done! (the more the better price) Now that that is cleared up... Any car can be modified to go fast, even a caddie, so it is just a matter of bucks (right Fitz?)

Second, I have driven with and tried to keep up with Mulv, I have $100.00 US on him because he doesn't care. That is one nice trait to have in a driver and he really knows his stuff.

Last, driving is a skill and you could have the best car on the track and have the worst lap times if you do not know what your doing. Experience comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from mistakes... I would be curious to ask how many cars Mulv has totaled in the guard rail to get his experience....

So hey what about that track day and gaining some experience?

Fitz · #12 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 09:14 PM

Yes; I will follow you guys as I am not familar with the tracks but it would be fun. No fences or walls.....I remember flying by Davids when I had my blue car and then was sittng backyards when I turned toooooooooo wide! (At firebird I think; but it was fun); Would Bondurant ever let's us do something like that as a group. I thought Mr Mike said he was way too pricey$$$.

PhoenixCobra · #13 (**permalink**) 08-08-2007, 11:38 PM

As a recent Superformance purchaser, (previously owned), my first choice was SPF because I feel that it has "THE LOOK" of the original.
I realize that the originals varied in many respects, but overall, this car has a pleasing overall look and quality that I was looking for.
I cannot afford a Kirkham, and don't really want the worry of an aluminum body.
I feel that the Superformance was the best car for ME. (Your opinion may vary)
When I found this car, I purchased it off of a hand full of photos, (and a LONG question and answer session over the phone).
My father asked me if this was wise to spend that much money, without driving / inspecting the car first hand. I explained that I was confident, that a Superformance Cobra was of a consistent build quality, and I was confident that the previous owner had taken good care of the car.
If you buy a Cobra that was assembled by a person with unknown ability, buying from a few photos would not be a wise decision. The car is only as good as the person that assembled it. There are people that assemble these kits for people that cannot, or will not do it themselves, and they offer a quality service. Check out the reputation, and make an informed decision. In a "previous life", I ran open track days with the Shelby Club at Firebird. I also was a regular at the SCCA slaloms, and had a personal best of second fastest time of day. As far as handling, I have not had the opportunity to play with mine on a road course, or slalom yet, but my gut feeling so far is this car will satisfy all my Cobra needs. Decide what YOUR needs are, and satisfy YOUR needs.

fsstnotch · #14 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 02:53 AM

Again...

SPF owners will continue to rep the spf's
BDR owners will rep the BDR's
FFR's will rep the ffr's
ETC ETC ETC

STCinc · #15 (**permalink**) 08-10-2007, 11:59 AM

A Cobra is a Cobra is a Cobra..
Buy it, build it, what ever.. just Enjoy it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do want to add this comment.. I was at Carlisle this past spring talking to a rep from an un-named insurance company, he commented that FFR (NOT the company) but builders of un-known skill levels have single-handedly caused most of the insurability issues with replica / kit cars in general. A FFR assembled by a competent builder is a safe car, but not all builders are so gifted.

I personally own a Superformance because of the consistent build quality and the fact that I didn't have the space or desire to build a car.. Yes, I still think SPF is on the top of the Cobra quality listing, however I am currently looking into a FFR coupe now that I have more time and space (more for a project to spend some Q-time with the kids... and to get them involved in cars

).....

mrpink · #16 (**permalink**) 08-11-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by STCinc

A Cobra is a Cobra is a Cobra..
Buy it, build it, what ever.. just Enjoy it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do want to add this comment.. I was at Carlisle this past spring talking to a rep from an un-named insurance company, he commented that FFR (NOT the company) but builders of un-known skill levels have single-handedly caused most of the insurability issues with replica / kit cars in general. A FFR assembled by a competent builder is a safe car, but not all builders are so gifted.

I personally own a Superformance because of the consistent build quality and the fact that I didn't have the space or desire to build a car.. Yes, I still think SPF is on the top of the Cobra quality listing, however I am currently looking into a FFR coupe now that I have more time and space (more for a project to spend some Q-time with the kids... and to get them involved in cars

).....

vettestr · #17 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:21 AM

Hey Bruce (proud new owner),
I read your post about how you purchased your new Baby and bottom line is if you are happy the world is a happy place for you and that is all that matters PERIOD ! We all come to a discussion with our own internal inputs or perceptions that form our own opinion. The truth is because we " Have no dog in the fight" they do not matter. It is your car now so enjoy. I checked it out at the 5 N Diner and it was very nice.
Now to the point of my car is better than your car .... well of course it is. That is why it is mine and that is as it should be too, pride of ownership. The debate and challenges that come from this are know edge are were we are at now so let the games begin. Again our own opinions will determine what dog we pick in this fight. There is no perfect car for all uses or more importantly all drivers/owners unless we are talking about Your Car.
There are folks that have years of experience driving for a living under many class and sanctioning bodies. I for one did it in drag cars and boats but that sheds little light on these cars. Car set up driver to driver is also a variable but without a bunch of seat time I could not personally comment. Mulv has held many certs and has the seat time to know what at the least works for him. There are very few people I would ride in the passenger seat with but gotta say he is one. Maybe I am just not smart enough to be scared but he made rides in my own car a total new experience and did things that just amazed me. I am talking an E ticket ride. If you get a chance to ride with a Pro driver take it in a heart beat.

BT SNAKE · #18 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 09:06 AM

Dave,
Thanks but you better keep your money in your wallet. The best I ever did was third at R&G and that was just in my class. I do this cause I get the same feeling that any pro driver gets during an event. It's just a blast to do this and I feel lucky enough to own two cars to do it with..

Doug, you crack me up. I love reading your passionate posts. I think you
know full well there are always going to be these type of disscussions on this forum. You've been on this forum for near as long as I have.
The SPF company make wonderful products and they sell well. One opinion will not change that. Doug, please don't take this stuff to heart. If I took all that ribbing I get for having a Chevy powered Cobra then I would've been gone a looong time ago.

hersh

Any club event at a track... I'll try and be there.

mikiec · #19 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:51 AM

Brian...

Let's work on a track day for November. It should be a ittle cooler then.

Mike

Roger Stine · #20 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 09:13 AM

Mike,

Why wait until November? COCOA is late OCT. All Cobras are welcome and the price cannot be beat anywhere. It's only an open track event with passing on the front and back straights but there are 4 run groups. It's always a hoot to see who can keep up with the 225hp spec racers.

Roger