Roush wants my Alum. FE 511 motor - Page 4

vector1 · #1 (**permalink**) 11-26-2008, 07:14 AM

warranty work doesn't make'em any money, and if that is all they do then they're up sheet creek.

madmaxx · #2 (**permalink**) 11-26-2008, 08:41 AM

Got the bug,
You Wrote "Madmaxx, just hope you don't you need test your warranty!",

I think you have it backwards, Roush had better I hope I do not have to test their warranty. I would have a field day with them if I perceived their response not to be timely.

I still think turnaround time from Roush on this one is deplorable and as we all know the best warranty is one we never need.

Got the Bug · #3 (**permalink**) 11-26-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by madmaxx

Got the bug,
You Wrote "Madmaxx, just hope you don't you need test your warranty!",

I think you have it backwards, Roush had better I hope I do not have to test their warranty. I would have a field day with them if I perceived their response not to be timely.

I still think turnaround time from Roush on this one is deplorable and as we all know the best warranty is one we never need.

Roush won't know know what hit them when your army of lawyers walks in and demands that that they drop everything and address your issue.

You may want to give them some advance notice that you're dissatisfied with the level of service that they are providing to fellow Roush owners.

Relax man...your motors running great...enjoy it.

madmaxx · #4 (**permalink**) 11-26-2008, 02:44 PM

Got the bug,

LOL!!!! I cant stop driving the car!!

Spoooky · #5 (**permalink**) 11-26-2008, 06:51 PM

vector1, Yes they did, rings sticking. I have the 3rd. 511FE they built and they were putting them together in the same fashion the they do their 427R motors. Now they have figured out a way to make them work and run even better with out smoking like most FE's do. We'll see when I get it. It was pretty awesome the first time.

Spoooky · #6 (**permalink**) 12-02-2008, 01:26 PM

Got an e mail fro Todd Andrews at Roush this morning and my motor is almost all back together and is scheduled for dyno by this weekend. It is to leave and ship back to Phoenix the beginning of next week. I hope Anthem is capable to do the install. I should be on the road soon. Has anyone talked to ( John ) Anthem recently? Are they set up to do the work?

Spoooky · #7 (**permalink**) 12-12-2008, 01:21 PM

"It took it's first breath" according to Todd Andrews at Roush. My motor has been on the Dyno and it getting it self wrapped up to ship back to Phoenix. It will be back in Phoenix next week and in it's resting place by the weekend, thanks to John at Anthem Motors. It will be good to get my Cobra back just in time for Christmas. Nice to see a little chrome and polished aluminum under the tree.

csx4910 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Congrats!! That will be one of the best christmas presents I can think of
Ron

Barnsnake · #9 (**permalink**) 12-21-2008, 08:09 PM

Two-stroke outboards have ports in the cylinder walls so the rings MUST be pinned to keep the ends from clipping in the ports. In addition to the added complexity and expense, the pins can cause problems themselves. They can work outward and score the cylinder. They can also get loose and migrate through the piston crown.

Slither · #10 (**permalink**) 12-22-2008, 01:42 AM

Is John at Anthem Motors out of business or is he just relocating?

Woodz428 · #11 (**permalink**) 12-22-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnsnake

Two-stroke outboards have ports in the cylinder walls so the rings MUST be pinned to keep the ends from clipping in the ports. In addition to the added complexity and expense, the pins can cause problems themselves. They can work outward and score the cylinder. They can also get loose and migrate through the piston crown.

I worked 30 years in the bike industry, it is my opinion that they put the pins in to insure proper location so they don't hook in the ports. I accept that they move some, but I don't think they "rotate" which would indicate circling in the ring groove. Because there are precise locations the end gaps are set at, if the rings rotated they surely wouldn't rotate exactly the same and at some point all the gaps would line up for a period. Usually when ring sticks, it is the sealing against the cylinder that is the problem, not that it can't rotate. The same 2-strokes that are pinned don't rotate at all and seal,they also "stick" rings causing a loss of sealing. It still seems unlikely there would be more than a minor "oscillation" in the ring movement back and forth because of the crosshatch. Again, pistons are soft compared to ring material, and a constant rotation would effectively wear the ring groove out in no time,especially moving up and down so rapidly. As I pointed out earlier, the ring land that takes the worse beating is the top one from being so close to the heat. Except in a case of piston seizure, I don't recall ever seeing a second groove wear out. Rings are also of various configurations, some dykes type, some with a taper on one edge....with no particular concern for rotation, but for better cylinder wall sealing. In the 30 years in the bike business I pulled down at least 100 sportbike engines as well as snowmobile and dirtbikes,watercraft and offroad vehicles. I always examine every part on disassembly and have never seen a set of rings that had gaps staggered differently than how they were installed. There may have been some minor variances,but since they are installed by eye instead of some precise gauge, the variance could just be from the assembly. Once again that would indicate that all the rings rotate equally, which seems unlikely as well since they are constructed 3 different ways, of 3 different materials. Maybe there's one of those engineering clips with a clear cylinder that would show some, but I haven't seen one.

DAVID GAGNARD · #12 (**permalink**) 12-22-2008, 11:16 AM

I don't think the rings actually rotate per se, but they do move from the installed location......After about one hour of break-in and dyno time on my pressant race motor, I changed the oil and filter and when I drained the oil, I found about a quart of water in the pan, so I tore the engine down to see what the problem was.....(failed head gasket)

As I tore it down, I was very careful with everything as this was a brand new BOSS 302 block and I just knew it had a crack in it somewhere and would have to send it back to Ford. I took photos to document any and everything I did and found and what I found was a failed head gasket, causing the water in the oil..
I also found that the rings on 4 pistons had "move/rotated" some from the original position..... I made sure checking 2 or 3 times each piston as to the location of the ring gaps before installing them in the block, the rings were put as per directions on the box (Mahle rings).....on 3 pistons the ring movement was not very much, may 20 to 30 degress at most, on the forth one, the top ring had rotated enough so that the gap was lined up with the gap of the second ring, not good..... I checked with a number of engine builders and they told me they had seen this before, kinda normal for some rings to rotate some, they all said depending on the ring type/manufacter, some rings "move" more than others.........

on other engines I've done, ring movement/rotation has been minor....

Had I not seen it myself, I would have never thought the rings would rotate....

David

davids · #13 (**permalink**) 12-22-2008, 05:54 PM

Think he's OOB.....
Just heard about it from a guy at the PAV....

davids · #14 (**permalink**) 01-07-2009, 09:15 AM

Spooky, WHat's the story with your car..Did you get the engine back??....Do you have the rest of the car.??Is John still in business...???? Dave

Spoooky · #15 (**permalink**) 01-08-2009, 05:14 AM

Dave,

John has closed up shop for now. Not sure what the future will bring. My motor is here but not in the car yet. That should happen in a few days. John is involved with getting it back in for me and I'm talking to him direct. My Cobra was supposed to be at Barrett-Jackson on display but it won't be ready in time. I'll keep you all posted.

csx4910 · #16 (**permalink**) 01-08-2009, 05:34 AM

Tim,
It's a bummer it isn't in yet but the bright side is at least it is in town now. I am sure John will be true to his word and get it back in for you. Was it going to be at the Roush booth or Superformance?

Great Asp · #17 (**permalink**) 01-08-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoooky

Dave,

John has closed up shop for now. Not sure what the future will bring. My motor is here but not in the car yet. That should happen in a few days. John is involved with getting it back in for me and I'm talking to him direct. My Cobra was supposed to be at Barrett-Jackson on display but it won't be ready in time. I'll keep you all posted.

Why not take it there as is.

I bet lots of people there would be "interested" to see it.

I am sorry you are going through this.

E

Spoooky · #18 (**permalink**) 01-08-2009, 09:23 PM

It is so close to becoming a whole car again I'm just going to leave well enough alone. There is always next year. I'll be at the show probably Saturday, but w/o my Cobra.

csx4910 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-18-2009, 04:30 PM

Hey Tim, What's the latest word on getting your motor back in?

Bob Broberg SPF667 460BB · #20 (**permalink**) 01-08-2009, 08:01 AM

The Booth at the Barret-Jackson is a large area backed by the Roush/Superformance semi-trailer. It also includes Selby and last year a Backdraft. Last year we had 7 cars there plus all of Roush's motors. I will be there Sunday to visit and back on Friday the 16th to represent SCOF.

AZ Bob