Absolute Pace

Go Back   Club Cobra > Club Forums > Australian Cobra Club

Welcome to Club Cobra!  The World's largest non biased Shelby Cobra related site!

  •  » Representation from nearly all Cobra/Daytona/GT40 manufacturers
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and nearly 1 million posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
Keith Craft Racing
October 2024
S M T W T F S
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31    
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-07-2010, 03:36 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: cairns, qld
Cobra Make, Engine: DE Type Cobra Ford Windsor 302, 5lt fuel injected. Ford front and rear. 9" lsd.
Posts: 39
Not Ranked     
Question Roll Bars

I hope someone can shed some light here, I have just heard today that having just one roll bar hoop on the drivers side only may be a roadworthy issue here in Queensland. Is this correct or is my roadworthy inspector pulling my leg.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-07-2010, 01:41 PM
Merv and Sharon's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sunshine Coast Qld, QLD
Cobra Make, Engine: Harrison # 80; Ford 5.0L HO Trickflow heads, cam and rockers and MassFlow EFI
Posts: 3,482
Send a message via Skype™ to Merv and Sharon
Not Ranked     
Default

News to me Damo.
__________________
Merv

Ford Cobra
Harrison #80.
Peregian Beach
Sunshine Coast Qld.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-07-2010, 03:17 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Hills, NSW
Cobra Make, Engine: Absolute Pace
Posts: 1,354
Not Ranked     
Default

I am pretty sure that there are no ADR's that relate to roll bars.

Certainly no issues in NSW.

Ben
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-07-2010, 06:51 PM
gjkrv8's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Revival CR 3505, LS1, T56 6 Speed, VE 3.45 LSD Rear, 6 Spot AP Fronts, 4 Spot Wilwood Rears
Posts: 1,121
Not Ranked     
Default

Yeah I think he is trying one on you. I asked my Eng in VIC and he said no ADR for this. He pointed me to a lot of examples of open top cars without rollbars, such as MX5 etc. Also, my mate has a BMW Z4 and those things behind the seats that resemble something like a rollbar felt like plastic to me, i.e. just for show.

Rgds

Gregg
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-07-2010, 09:09 PM
Towmaster's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 1,106
Not Ranked     
Default

My engineer told me the same, no requirement in Qld.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 02:49 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Newcastle, Warners Bay, NSW
Cobra Make, Engine: RMC . 393 Dart alloy block Stroked 351 alloy heads ..all the goodies plus a pre oiler. al
Posts: 1,495
Not Ranked     
Default

Ha Ha Ha ! Here in the police state NSW. My engineer told me to register my cobra without a windscreen to beat spectral gloss, demister, and wiper issues ( to beat emissions changes deadline) The dude at the blue slip inspection said "You need a roll-bar and a windscreen and wipers and a demister" I told him to ring my engineer but he insisted on ringing the RTA.
The RTA had recently relegated their inspectors to advisory positions and given their jobs to 'garages'. When this pea-nut rang the RTA "advisor" that bloke abused him so loudly I could hear it on the phone against the p-nuts ear ! I enjoyed that moment.
Basically you don't need a roll-bar in an open/convertible car. Take Mazdas and MGs for example. Good luck with the rego.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 04:32 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 110
Not Ranked     
Default

I just went through engineering in Vic - no issues with roll bars - not required. Also bonnet handles weren't commented on so I guess they're OK. The engineer did say that there is some pressure from VICROADS for builders to supply photo's of the build. They are suspicious that some kit builders who are building turn-keys are actually circumventing regs regarding vehicle manufacturering.
Another glitch for Vic builders is that in addition to the normal engineering inspection you are also required to pass an emmission test - IM240. The only facility in Vic that conducts this test is VIPAC. The process takes about 2 hours and requires the car to be run on a dyno at various speeds in different gears for set periods of time while the emmissions are checked. If you are successful then a certificate is issued which you goes to your engineer to present to VICROADS with the rest of the paperwork.
Building an ICV just gets better all he time..........Oh I forgot to mention the test costs about $500.

Peter
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 05:20 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Hills, NSW
Cobra Make, Engine: Absolute Pace
Posts: 1,354
Not Ranked     
Default

Peter,

Did they make you do the test?

Up here the IM240 test is 240 seconds long and is free. I was in and out in 30 mins.

You would want to pass first go if it is $500 down there!

Cheers,

Ben
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 06:24 AM
gjkrv8's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Revival CR 3505, LS1, T56 6 Speed, VE 3.45 LSD Rear, 6 Spot AP Fronts, 4 Spot Wilwood Rears
Posts: 1,121
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pecal View Post
I just went through engineering in Vic
Hey Peter, congrats on getting through engineering, you kept that one a bit quiet.

I assume you sorted your front brake problem - what was it in the end?

Rgds

Gregg
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 02:23 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 110
Not Ranked     
Default

Ben,

The test is compulsory, I'm booked in next week. Hey Ben you should know that nothing is free in Vic.
Greg
After 4 weeks of frigging around with the brake system it turned out to be a faulty master cylinder. A port had not been drilled properly. Swapped the master cylinder and all was well.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 03:50 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Hills, NSW
Cobra Make, Engine: Absolute Pace
Posts: 1,354
Not Ranked     
Default

Hope the test goes well Greg.

Make sure you get your cats as hot as possible!

Ben
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 07:46 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 76
Not Ranked     
Default

Hi Damo, I got a safety cert on mine yesterday (in qld), it has only a drivers rollbar and it was fine, never got a mention. -Andy
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 09:05 PM
sambo's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Melbourne, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Harrison, 6.0L Chev
Posts: 2,513
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pecal View Post
The test is compulsory, I'm booked in next week.
Good luck with that Peter. I thought if we presented the car as a VZ/VE with factory bits that no testing was necessary. I bet Holden aren't paying $500 to test every Commodore that comes off the line.

Out of interest, what spring rates are in your car and how do you find it on the road?
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2010, 09:55 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Newcastle, Warners Bay, NSW
Cobra Make, Engine: RMC . 393 Dart alloy block Stroked 351 alloy heads ..all the goodies plus a pre oiler. al
Posts: 1,495
Not Ranked     
Default

One year ford forgot to fit cats to one model of their falcons, so they put them toward the end of the exhaust system (totally useless there) As far as the ADR's were concerned that met the rules. That definately would NOT pass emmissions testing.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2010, 01:56 AM
Gav's Avatar
Gav Gav is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mildura, vic
Cobra Make, Engine: FFR Coupe, 416ci of LS goodness
Posts: 2,349
Not Ranked     
Default

What?????

Lots of repairs, changes, mods are made to any model before and after release, but I really don't think they would have ever forgot to fit cats.
I might be wrong, but I reckon there would be at least a couple of design staff responsible for emmissions testing....
__________________
Powered by Cu
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2010, 03:19 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 110
Not Ranked     
Default

Sambo, you're right GMH don't pay $500 as they, along with Toyota Australia and Ford have accreditation to perform these tests. Only VIPAC are the independant tester with accreditation - ain't it great to have a monopoly!!

Peter
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2010, 05:35 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Newcastle, Warners Bay, NSW
Cobra Make, Engine: RMC . 393 Dart alloy block Stroked 351 alloy heads ..all the goodies plus a pre oiler. al
Posts: 1,495
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gav View Post
What?????

Lots of repairs, changes, mods are made to any model before and after release, but I really don't think they would have ever forgot to fit cats.
I might be wrong, but I reckon there would be at least a couple of design staff responsible for emmissions testing....
This may have occurred during pre release but ford got away with it. The ADRs were relaxed for this occasion.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2010, 09:47 PM
Gav's Avatar
Gav Gav is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mildura, vic
Cobra Make, Engine: FFR Coupe, 416ci of LS goodness
Posts: 2,349
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pecal View Post
Sambo, you're right GMH don't pay $500 as they, along with Toyota Australia and Ford have accreditation to perform these tests. Only VIPAC are the independant tester with accreditation - ain't it great to have a monopoly!!

Peter

Before VIPAC where around it was the emmssions labs at Ford, GM, Toyota ect that subcontracted their facilities to test other manufacturers cars such as small production vehicles like Corsa and small volume imports. Any car being sold in Aust must have passed Australian emmission testing!
__________________
Powered by Cu

Last edited by Gav; 04-09-2010 at 10:02 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 04-11-2010, 04:58 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Melbourne, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: DRB,Ford Tickford 302 220kw with BTR 4 speed auto, 3.9:1 LSD
Posts: 491
Not Ranked     
Default

It was a while ago now but I think I remember my engineer saying that you can have no roll bar BUT if you are going to have one it must protect the passenger as well as the driver.
__________________
Cameron
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy