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Old 04-04-2011, 08:32 PM
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Well it'll get interesting with my Harrison when I finally get it done. Them 5.4 iron block Fords ain't light, and they sure are big Mother's ! I think it is actually wider than a FE block
But hey like some say 'them with only 1 cam are so miserable-they wouldn't shout if a shark bit'em '
That said $1300 odd is a bit to pay for a bits steel with lumps on 'em.
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Well it'll get interesting with my Harrison when I finally get it done. Them 5.4 iron block Fords ain't light, and they sure are big Mother's ! I think it is actually wider than a FE block
But hey like some say 'them with only 1 cam are so miserable-they wouldn't shout if a shark bit'em '
That said $1300 odd is a bit to pay for a bits steel with lumps on 'em.
They're big mothers's allrighty.
I'm told most blokes runnin em put their rear wheels on the front and the skinny ones on the back.

Then fill the front tyres with helium.

They sorta go alright then.
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They're big mothers's allrighty.
I'm told most blokes runnin em put their rear wheels on the front and the skinny ones on the back.

Then fill the front tyres with helium.

They sorta go alright then.
already saving the shiekls for an alloy block, should save about 45kg's across the front axle apparently.
as far as size goes I reckon I got bragging rights with ' mine's bigger'er than yours mate
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already saving the shiekls for an alloy block, should save about 45kg's across the front axle apparently.
Save ya money, they go real hard as it is. Remember a lot of the original cars had a bluddy great heavy 427so in em.

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as far as size goes I reckon I got bragging rights with ' mine's bigger'er than yours mate
Damn, you been chattin to my first wife?. She reckons if mine was 2" shorter I'd have a 1" hole in my gut.
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Save ya money, they go real hard as it is. Remember a lot of the original cars had a bluddy great heavy 427so in em.



Damn, you been chattin to my first wife?. She reckons if mine was 2" shorter I'd have a 1" hole in my gut.
Why would you want to shorten your car by 2" ? Ohh....!!
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already saving the shiekls for an alloy block, should save about 45kg's across the front axle apparently.
45kg is a signficant saving, goes to show how large that block is.

On a 427FE it is only around a 27kg saving. I looked at the weight saving between an iron 427 & an alloy 427 block, both engines with alloy heads.

Just did a quick google search:

329kg for 429/460 & 351 Clevelands could be more. I assume iron heads.

236kg for an iron 427FE with alloy heads. 209kg with alloy block.

193kg 302w with alloy heads.

189kg for an LS3.

Interesting.
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Craig will probably make up the difference with a blower at some stage - or not. But 45 kgs means I don't have to diet as hard as I might
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45KG difference going from Iron to Aluminum??!! I didn't think it would be as much as that. Must be a heavy wall high nickle content on their Iron blocks.

There's probably cheaper and easier ways to remove weight. Probably easier to just add HP.

My CR weighed in at 1060KG at rego with a half tank of fuel. Not sure on the front rear split. I got it through rego with no windscreen so probably saved a few KG there with out all the stuff that goes with it i.e wipers, heater etc.

It's got a windscreen and wipers now but I've removed a heap of weight from the rear by making tubular rear arms. It'll be interesting to see what it weighs again when it's all done.

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There's probably cheaper and easier ways to remove weight. Probably easier to just add HP.
Ahhh...the 750HP school of thought.
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45KG difference going from Iron to Aluminum??!! I didn't think it would be as much as that. Must be a heavy wall high nickle content on their Iron blocks.

There's probably cheaper and easier ways to remove weight. Probably easier to just add HP.

My CR weighed in at 1060KG at rego with a half tank of fuel. Not sure on the front rear split. I got it through rego with no windscreen so probably saved a few KG there with out all the stuff that goes with it i.e wipers, heater etc.

It's got a windscreen and wipers now but I've removed a heap of weight from the rear by making tubular rear arms. It'll be interesting to see what it weighs again when it's all done.

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Well that's what the guys on Oz Ford forum reckon anyway Mike
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1050kg all up incl. 1/2 (50 L) tank of fuel -- and getting lighter as things wear out or fall off
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Well that's what the guys on Oz Ford forum reckon anyway Mike
I'm not doubting what you say Rog it just seemed surprising that's all.

I guess it's reasonable, I just checked and an aluminum LS1 block weighs about 55KG
The LQ9 Iron block (Same as the LS1 except 4" bore) weighs 93Kg. That's a 38KG difference.

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45kg is a signficant saving, goes to show how large that block is.

On a 427FE it is only around a 27kg saving. I looked at the weight saving between an iron 427 & an alloy 427 block, both engines with alloy heads.

Just did a quick google search:

329kg for 429/460 & 351 Clevelands could be more. I assume iron heads.

236kg for an iron 427FE with alloy heads. 209kg with alloy block.

193kg 302w with alloy heads.

189kg for an LS3.

Interesting.
The last two figures are interesting from my point of view - only 4kgs. Any data on the Ford Coyote weight?
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My car weighs just over 1400KGs with 1/2 tank of fuel and without me in it............

Never corner weighted car, but I am keen to get that done.

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