Absolute Pace

Go Back   Club Cobra > Club Forums > Australian Cobra Club

Welcome to Club Cobra!  The World's largest non biased Shelby Cobra related site!

  •  » Representation from nearly all Cobra/Daytona/GT40 manufacturers
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and nearly 1 million posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

MMG Superformance
Nevada Classics
Main Menu
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
November 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30            

Kirkham Motorsports

Like Tree107Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 3.00 average. Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-20-2014, 11:51 PM
Towmaster's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 1,106
Not Ranked     
Default

Yay I can't wait to be able to buy a Kia or a Hyundai..... Or maybe one of those excellent great walls.....

Why hasn't Toyota suffered the tall poppy syndrome yet??

You all seem to be saying you would rather buy a Kia than an imported Holden or Ford.....

Apparently it doesn't matter what badge it wears, they're all the same right, bit like an LS in a Cobra...

WTF?
Wazza likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 03:34 AM
sambo's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Melbourne, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Harrison, 6.0L Chev
Posts: 2,513
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Towmaster View Post
bit like an LS in a Cobra... WTF?
Don't you mean hot rods with glass bodies shaped like an AC Cobra?
__________________
"A spectacularly fast car in a grand if dated tradition."
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 04:38 AM
Donunder's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Brisbane Australia. Cobra:Arntz Chev 454,
Posts: 847
Not Ranked     
Default

Ash the point I was trying to make is this --- If I were fortunate enough to have say $60K to spend on a car at the moment I could choose a mid to top range Commodore for instance or an entry level euro, say.

The Commodore would be the usual three to four years behind the euros in terms of technological advancement, would be noticeably deficient in measurable areas such as Noise Vibration and Harshness, and would depreciate at much the same percentage rate.

If the Holden product were not manufactured in Australia there would morally be no need for tariff protection, introduced to protect a product unable to compete with overseas cars in just about every aspect, and there would be no need for a luxury car tax, originally introduced to deter buyers from buying high-end imports and to buy the local product.

So... with the phasing out of the luxury car tax (if the govt could bring itself to do the right thing) and the abolition of tariff protection, my $60K suddenly allows me to buy an E Class Merc or an Audi A5 or a 5 series BMW, and yes even the Hyundai Genesis, mentioned earlier, with plenty of change left over.

For years we've been funnelled towards the local product, even though it has been foreign owned and has been showered with huge sums by the govt to remain viable, and, and I acknowledge the importance of this, to provide employment for lots of Australians who in many instances would struggle to hold down jobs outside of the boring repetitive work found on an inefficient and outmoded vehicle asembly line.

The You Tube I posted reveals that GM has also been sucking huge amounts from the US govt. Detroit has collapsed and GM now produce 70% of vehicles off-shore because it can't produce them in the US due to this same inefficiency, which has forced it to establish new plants in emerging industrial countries such as China where, and again I acknowledge the problem, labour costs are lower, and computerised and robotised assembly produces a far superior product at the expense of providing employment to many.

This vid of the new Tesla plant in California shows the future of car assembly, and the production process is similar to that of many euro and Asian car makers, who also have moved off-shore in many instances -- Honda to Thailand, BMW to Turkey etc.

Tesla Motors Part 1: Behind the Scenes of how the Tesla Model S is Made-The Window-WIRED - YouTube

The big three, Ford GMH and Toyota have unanimously declared that making cars in Australia is unsustainable. The govt now must accept that fact, sooner rather than later, and start making plans to relocate the many thousands of unskilled workers in this industry who will be displaced as a result of our being conned for so long by the US companies into not updating and modernising their assembly plants. And for not making, for many years, the cars that Australians have been wanting to buy. How long did it take them to get into the SUV market? How many taxis are still Falcons or Commodores? Too slow --they were caught napping by the Asians.

It's a global economy now, and our cars will be made in countries where technology has been embraced. We had the chance.....
__________________
Don.

Last edited by Donunder; 01-21-2014 at 04:41 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 06:13 AM
darkside's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Cobra Make, Engine: 1994 drb sbf c4 9inch
Posts: 114
Not Ranked     
Default

not sure how reliable the source is but was told few days ago that gm wants to sell off the holden name and everything it associated with(commodore etc)so if true then gm usa really had no intentions of staying here regardless of guvmint muney just looking for more handouts..noice one fellas

as for the comment about toyotas,the hilux hasnt been changed in nearly 8 yrs....prolly out back of factory facelifting yur 5yr old trade in and reselling it ..certainly know how to make a buck them asian fellas......doc
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 04:59 PM
Aussie Mike's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Sunbury, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Rat Rod Racer, LS1 & T56
Posts: 5,391
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkside View Post
as for the comment about toyotas,the hilux hasnt been changed in nearly 8 yrs....prolly out back of factory facelifting yur 5yr old trade in and reselling it ..certainly know how to make a buck them asian fellas......doc
I don't have a problem with the Hilux not changing. If the design works why change it? Otherwise it's just change for change sake. A marketing scam to make people buy the fancy new model when in reality the old one was just as good for it's intended purpose.

This is one of the things thing that annoys me about the car industry. They have a redesign every couple of years and make a whole new car. While it might be nice to see a completely new looking Commodore it really f#cks the value of 2nd hand cars.

For a car I would buy myself I prefer the ones that have longer runs of the same model with just evolutionary changes. The Europeans were pretty good at this for a long time and I think that's part of the reason a lot hold their value better than the local equivalents. That seems to be changing now as they adopt this new marketing model so not to be left behind in the money grab.

To me it makes more sense for manufacturers to get as much life out of the tooling they can. The industry has made a rod for it's own back with this constant change for change sake marketing model. These major redesigns cost a lot in R&D and then retooling the lines. Costs that need to be born by the folks buying the cars so the price goes up. Since the customers won't take too much of this there is pressure to reduce costs by moving production to countries with cheap labour.

I hate this current throw away mentality that has gotten into everything we buy. It's driven by the marketing departments of companies that make stuff because they want to sell you more sh!t you don't need.

Your average consumer needs to take a good look at themselves. There's the idea that once a car hits 100,000KM and is out of warranty it's worn out "Got to get rid of it, it's costing me too much money!". What a bunch of sh!t. If they added up the real cost it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper to keep that older car on the road. Think of the depreciation hit you take on selling the old car and then fronting up the extra cash for the new and improved one. All so you can have the latest and greatest.

"But think of the money I'll save! The new one does 10L/100 when the old one used 11L/100" they cry. Never mind you just blew $30K in the change over. I'll try to put that into perspective...

$1.50L for reg unleaded.
10L/100KM = $15 per 100KM
$15,000/100,000KM

11L/100 =$16.50 per 100KM
$16.500/100,000KM

$1500 per 100,000KM better off. That means you need to drive about a million KM before you are in front of the $30K dropped in the change over. Given the average punter seems to reckons a car is worn out by 100,000KM. Well....

End of rant.
leroy17 and d488y2 like this.
__________________
Mike Murphy
Melbourne Australia

Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 05:28 PM
Dimis's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Vic
Cobra Make, Engine: Some polish thing... With some old engine
Posts: 2,286
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie Mike View Post
I don't have a problem with the Hilux not changing. If the design works why change it? Otherwise it's just change for change sake. A marketing scam to make people buy the fancy new model when in reality the old one was just as good for it's intended purpose.

This is one of the things thing that annoys me about the car industry.......

.............That means you need to drive about a million KM before you are in front of the $30K dropped in the change over. Given the average punter seems to reckons a car is worn out by 100,000KM. Well....

End of rant.
With GOLD like that, I wish you had a bigger soap box!

Well said kind Sir.


PS: Thanks for the PM & Congrats.
Rog246 likes this.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 05:40 PM
Towmaster's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 1,106
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimis View Post
With GOLD like that, I wish you had a bigger soap box!

Well said kind Sir.


PS: Thanks for the PM & Congrats.
Then when the engine wears out you just slot in a 6 litre V8....
Maybe there won't be too many more of them in the future either..
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2014, 04:18 AM
Dimis's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Vic
Cobra Make, Engine: Some polish thing... With some old engine
Posts: 2,286
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Towmaster View Post
You all seem to be saying you would rather buy a Kia than an imported Holden or Ford.

WTF?
Huh?
Sorry, but all I've said is I ain't buying from a company that Bullsh!ts me.

If you want to buy a Holden or other, go ahead, knock yourself out

As for LS in a cobra - I let you in on a badly kept secret...
No-one actually cares. There are those (like me), who tease and poke the bear... seemingly sometimes people take the bait.

If it makes you feel better, I'd be happy to have an LS powered cobra in my garage.
Are you offering one.
__________________

Last edited by Dimis; 01-21-2014 at 04:42 AM..
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy