Club Cobra Keith Craft Racing  

Go Back   Club Cobra > General Discussion > Club Cobra Introduction Forum (introduce yourself)

MMG Superformance
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
April 2024
S M T W T F S
  1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30        

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 09-17-2011, 07:58 PM
mervy49's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kimberley, BC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadsters, 429
Posts: 27
Not Ranked     
Default I was looking for help on the internet and here I am

I have owned my Cobra for more than 20 years and I have had wiper problems since day one. I even built the car myself and didn't get it right back then. So, this is were my search has brought me after scouring the internet. I had no idea there was a site like this. I've been reading the information here and it is sure is handy to have it available, although I'm still looking to find the answer. I have tried a few of the sugestions and applied them unsucessfully. I'll get into that later but hey.....here I am....I'm A Noob!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 09-17-2011, 08:07 PM
BMK's Avatar
BMK BMK is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Australia, Zzz
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby alum 468 block
Posts: 14,974
Not Ranked     
Default

Welcome to the site.

Yes it is a great resource.

I have been trawling around here for a number of years - ignore my Post count as many are added by my looking at and rating gallery photos.

However, I have built Cobras, a GT40 and a few classic cars. This site has been a great help.

Not to mention the many people that I have met and been able to catch up with over the years.
__________________
Bernie Knight
KMS 427 #662 Shelby 468 CSX 1026
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 09-19-2011, 07:22 PM
Seagull81's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Creedmoor, TX
Cobra Make, Engine: FFR3542K, 347 C. I., EFI, T-5, Miata Front Sway Bar, 3 Link, Red with White Stripes
Posts: 1,157
Not Ranked     
Default

Welcome to the forum!
__________________
Steve
Texas Cobra Club-Austin
July 2009 FFCars Picture of the Month
FFR3542K, 347, Holley Sniper EFI, T-5, 4 Wheel Discs, 3-Link, Miata Front Sway Bar, Red with White Stripes
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 09-19-2011, 09:21 PM
mervy49's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kimberley, BC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadsters, 429
Posts: 27
Not Ranked     
Default

Thanks for the welcomes,

Regarding the wipers,,, I have tried every conceivable combination of ways to wire the goofy thing and I'm back to the original setup. I have one speed and no park, I have to fiddle the switch to stop them at the bottom. This something I will just have to deal with until I buy a new motor with the proper set up I'm guessing..
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 09-19-2011, 09:35 PM
Dangerous Doug's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Scotts Valley, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 289 FIA #2108
Posts: 1,882
Not Ranked     
Default

Welcome!

So, is the wiper issue mechanical or electrical?

DD
__________________
Dangerous Doug

"You're kidding, right?"
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 09-21-2011, 09:54 PM
mervy49's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kimberley, BC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadsters, 429
Posts: 27
Not Ranked     
Default

The problem is electrical I'm sure. I'm at my wits end with them, Iv'e tried every conceivable combination of wiring at the switch and not been able to solve it. The wiper motor is Lucas and steering column is Chevette, who know what the wiring harness is. It is a Classic Roadsters from the old days kit. Circa 1989 - 90.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2011, 01:06 AM
PANAVIA's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Jose CA, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF_R_/BRG/FRBoss302/327CI/FordEFI/Under_Car_Exh/
Posts: 2,523
Not Ranked     
Default

Greetings - !! welcome to the team - ,

--OK, can we get some pictures of the wiper motor and the back of the switch , is it brit -german (VW ) etc >?

Steve
__________________
Steve SPF 2734 MK3 / Brock Coupe #54- panavia.com
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2011, 05:47 AM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

my guess would be the incorrect switch is being used. wiper motors come in two basic flavors. with dynamic parking and without dynamic parking.
does the motor have a more than two wires, if so you will need a switch that has a hot on the off position. this hot wire will feed the parking mechanism inside the motor. this hot feeds a clock switch inside that will interrupt the circuit at a certain position. without it they just turn off wherever they are.
you cannot expect a toggle switch to work in the system, it must be a wiper switch.
__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2011, 09:55 PM
mervy49's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kimberley, BC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadsters, 429
Posts: 27
Not Ranked     
Default

I'll get a picture of it in the morning. As far as I know the motor is MG, not sure if it is British or German. It is apparently the proper motor for the car. The Cobra is a Classic Roadsters Ltd model from the late 80's.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 06:11 AM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

MG? does the connector look like this on the motor?





the connect to switch at "2" i believe is the park connection, feed from ignition would be keyed hot, the MG motor would have a rack sticking out of it on one end. i think all MG's were lucas the switch is a specific toggle for wipers, or you can buy a switch(rotary) from cole-hersee, but it will have the international pic of wipers on the knob, of course you can switch the knob to a more vintage one..

whether the chevette switch is correct for parking that motor ? who knows? i would bet no...
__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 01:10 PM
mervy49's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kimberley, BC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadsters, 429
Posts: 27
Not Ranked     
Default

The Chevette switch is on the column and according to Classic Roadsters the wiring loom is the appropriate one for the motor.




Last edited by mervy49; 09-23-2011 at 01:13 PM.. Reason: post pics
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 02:58 PM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

LUCAS WIPER MOTOR

  • Terminal Connections
  • #1 Earth = Black
  • #2 Park = Black/Green
  • #3 2nd Speed = Yellow
  • #4 Ignition Power In = Green
  • #5 1st Speed = Green/Red
doesn't coincide with the color wires you have. however the connector (plastic) is correct but you don't seem to have the ground connected.
have you done a continuity on the wires going to the switch. can you verify low , high and hot?
on the motor the yellow seems to be high speed the blue low and the red hot.

do you have a wire hiding up above the motor?
__________________
Fred B

Last edited by FWB; 09-23-2011 at 03:01 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 03:19 PM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

now here is a conflicting post on another forum. showing your wiper motor.
with different wiring legend than FFR and kirkham and MG for that matter.

Which wire does what on Lucas wiper motor

the one wire (black from switch) should not bypass the plastic connector. that connector feeds the park mechanism. the hot wire is hot at three different events, when on low, when on high and parking.
__________________
Fred B

Last edited by FWB; 09-23-2011 at 03:22 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 03:28 PM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

here is how they should be plugged in



and this is not my foul car
__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 03:31 PM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

the best way to do lucas accessory wiring is to drink about 2 gallons of tea so you get so damn constipated it all begins to make sense
__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 09-23-2011, 07:57 PM
mervy49's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kimberley, BC
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadsters, 429
Posts: 27
Not Ranked     
Default

Tea,...lol.
With the blue wire installed at that location and grounded on the top keeps blowing fuses. The only way I can get the motor to work is to ground that blue wire as I have done. You can see the blue wire connected to the black and then grounded. This is the only way the motor will work...one speed (high) and No park.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 09-24-2011, 06:09 AM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

you must have an issue at the switch. like i said that plastic connector is the park switch all the leads will have to run thru there to park. if the leads from the motor are plugged into the connector like the pic i posted, and you determine what wire from the switch, control what event, then connect as per the pin-out i posted of the other side of the connector and it would work.....if it doesn't you might have a bad motor or switch. i read where the park mechanism can be shorted by wiring up incorrectly..
__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 09-24-2011, 06:41 AM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

on the far right is the diagram for the 1976-78 chevette wiper system


__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 09-24-2011, 06:48 AM
FWB's Avatar
FWB FWB is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Williamsport, PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Kellison Stallion 468 FE
Posts: 2,703
Not Ranked     
Default

so based on that, keyed hot does not go anywhere near the switch. is that your black wire? test it for juice.
there should be only 3 wires coming out of the switch, 4 if you count the washer feed ,low speed high speed, wash and ground.
the connector on the motor should be grounded(the odd blade in the plastic) see pic of connector(earth)
__________________
Fred B
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink