Researching any info re: Paul Cunningham, Competition Cobra privateer

[peterpjb]

amazingly the 2008 and the 2019 registries tell completely different stories about 2049, being curios which story the 2029 edition will tell....

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

amazingly the 2008 and the 2019 registries tell completely different stories about 2049, being curios which story the 2029 edition will tell....

Looks as if you're late to the conversation. You obviously missed post #44 entirely.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Looks as if you're late to the conversation. You obviously missed post #44 entirely.

I missed that post obviously , sorry for crashing the party

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

amazingly the 2008 and the 2019 registries tell completely different stories about 2049, being curios which story the 2029 edition will tell....

I had pointed out that the 1987 and 2008 registries told different stories too.

However from following this thread, it seems that the guy who has the title, does not have the original frame and most likely has no other parts from the original car left, so what exactly will make his eventual "restoration" of CSX 2049 worth any more than the car in Europe, which did not use any part of the original frame either?

In the end, if the guy with the title is really just going to do is buy a Kirham (or an AC Brooklands or something similar) and "restore" that into CSX 2049 with his title, I am not really sure that is really worth any more than having a really nice Cobra replica without the CSX 2049 serial number. I guess someone will be willing to pay a bit of a premium for the serial number attached to a nice replica, but how much of a premium would someone pay?

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I had pointed out that the 1987 and 2008 registries told different stories too.

However from following this thread, it seems that the guy who has the title, does not have the original frame and most likely has no other parts from the original car left, so what exactly will make his eventual "restoration" of CSX 2049 worth any more than the car in Europe, which did not use any part of the original frame either?

In the end, if the guy with the title is really just going to do is buy a Kirham (or an AC Brooklands or something similar) and "restore" that into CSX 2049 with his title, I am not really sure that is really worth any more than having a really nice Cobra replica without the CSX 2049 serial number. I guess someone will be willing to pay a bit of a premium for the serial number attached to a nice replica, but how much of a premium would someone pay?

There are original parts being used in the reconstruction. I won't speculate on values, because every car is different and in the end, it's up to the buyers to determine what a car is worth to them.

[CompClassics]

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[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

The parts that are being used in the new construction are not parts that can be confirmed as having come directly from the original 2049, the engine, the transmission and the differential have both casting numbers and date codes that prove otherwise. Are they original to a Cobra, possibly but nothing other than the differential is Cobra specific. Then again the 4HU Salisbury has been used in several European vehicles. The engine and the transmission are generic Ford parts without any kind of markings that would prove they came from Shelby’s shop. The engine itself is a 289, when 2049 crashed at Willow Springs in November of 1963 it had a 260 with a four barrel Autolite carburetor in it. The 260 race engine would have had numbers and stamping that would have indicate that it was a SAI built competition engine. Are there other parts related to the build that are Cobra specific, yes but those are parts that can not be confirmed to be directly related to or having come from 2049 or it’s timeframe.

Please note that, for practical purposes, I did not specify which parts from the original 2049 are being used in the reconstruction. But yes, there are some.

[USC_COWBOY]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Please note that, for practical purposes, I did not specify which parts from the original 2049 are being used in the reconstruction. But yes, there are some.

If you (SAAC) are the keepers of the keys to the legitimate CSX vault of information, why are you so closed lip about all you know? Could it be that the real truth would weaken your (SAAC) position as the "Font of all things CSX"?

Old period paper of the construction era, an old typewriter (for those of us that actually used one), a similar real invoice for proper appearance and VOILA! you have paper, now just find some old wreck with history and build a new Cobra and use the lifted title and wait for a sucker to buy it and bank millions.

End of story, IMO.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by USC_COWBOY

If you (SAAC) are the keepers of the keys to the legitimate CSX vault of information, why are you so closed lip about all you know? Could it be that the real truth would weaken your (SAAC) position as the "Font of all things CSX"?

Old period paper of the construction era, an old typewriter (for those of us that actually used one), a similar real invoice for proper appearance and VOILA! you have paper, now just find some old wreck with history and build a new Cobra and use the lifted title and wait for a sucker to buy it and bank millions.

End of story, IMO.

No offense, but when you found out what you have on your hands was not a true Cobra frame, but that of an AC Ace, you should have quietly acknowledged this graciously. To then attack those who have kept innuendo or second hand knowledge of second hand knowledge from becoming fact, is in my eyes, just bad form.

Just my two cents

Bill S.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by USC_COWBOY

If you (SAAC) are the keepers of the keys to the legitimate CSX vault of information, why are you so closed lip about all you know? Could it be that the real truth would weaken your (SAAC) position as the "Font of all things CSX"?

Old period paper of the construction era, an old typewriter (for those of us that actually used one), a similar real invoice for proper appearance and VOILA! you have paper, now just find some old wreck with history and build a new Cobra and use the lifted title and wait for a sucker to buy it and bank millions.

End of story, IMO.

We don't claim to know everything. We simply do our best to present the facts as they line up. It's up to people to determine for themselves how relevant they may be for them. I would point out, Mr. Cowboy, that I do not have a dog in this hunt, whereas you are claiming you do. I therefore have NO interest at all in spinning the truth. Can you say the same?

[CompClassics]

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[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

But nothing that can be identified as such with numbers and date codes to prove it, except a trunk lid latch.

I would point out that even a trunk latch is superior to nothing whatsoever.

[USC_COWBOY]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Please note that, for practical purposes, I did not specify which parts from the original 2049 are being used in the reconstruction. But yes, there are some.

As keeper of the real Cobra keys, why don't you explain exactly what part(s) was used to support that chassis? Perhaps a bullet rear vision mirror!

I , for one , would like to know what was used in the reconstruction.

[CompClassics]

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[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by USC_COWBOY

As keeper of the real Cobra keys, why don't you explain exactly what part(s) was used to support that chassis? Perhaps a bullet rear vision mirror!

I , for one , would like to know what was used in the reconstruction.

Yes, I can imagine you would enjoy knowing that. But since I am not the owner of the car, it isn't for me to release details about it, especially since it is my understanding there could be further litigation ahead involving this VIN and the right to proper legal ownership thereof.