ERA 2136 Build Log - Page 3

ERA Chas · #1 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Jeff, I love those wheels. Great choice. I almost bought the FIA wheels for my 427SC, even tried them on, but I wanted the big brake option.

Rod,
My front Wilwoods are 12.19" and here's FIA's on my SC-don't know if the KMP spindle position is different than my ERA.

RodKnock · #2 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 02:54 PM

When Joe Weight was still at Kirkham, and right after I bought my Kirkham, I asked Joe to throw on the FIA wheels, so that I could see which wheel I liked better. Here's a pic of my car when it was still in Utah on the lift.

I was told that the FIA wheels would not fit over the Kirkham's big brake option and that seemed to be fact, since other KMP owners had the same problem.

I really like the FIA wheels.

tkb289 · #3 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Rod,
My front Wilwoods are 12.19" and here's FIA's on my SC-don't know if the KMP spindle position is different than my ERA.

Chas,

Great photo, beautiful car. The FIA wheels look good on your car, nice setup. Sent you a PM,

- Tim

tkb289 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-24-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

I am just starting my comp 289 and have collected raw state FIA wheels.
Comp cars were raw so I am not going to polish in any way.

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Jeff, I love those wheels. Great choice. I almost bought the FIA wheels for my 427SC, even tried them on, but I wanted the big brake option.

Jeff,

I agree ... for a comp car, the bare FIA wheels fit the form and function of the car perfectly ... no dressing up needed.

For a street car, that's a bit more open to interpretation in my mind, a nice set of wheels can really make a difference to the look of a car, and that's part of the fun!

- Tim

jeffy · #5 (**permalink**) 10-25-2009, 08:45 AM

Tim-

If you are thinking about FIA wheels, you might consider painting the spokes white, which I like a lot with a blue car:

Blue Daytona coupe:

Jim Holden's FIA:

tkb289 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-25-2009, 12:03 PM

Jeff,

Nice examples! Had not thought about white and I still like the look of the black centers, but white is an interesting idea and one to be considered, thanks!

- Tim

RAO-3 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 06:00 AM

Tim, great to see your car moving right along...lots of details to work out and keep you busy. You will have a bit of time to work things out when the body is bonded to the frame and it's off at the painter.

-Ray

Jim Holden · #8 (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 01:25 PM

The centers on my FIA wheels are an "antique" white with polished rims.

Jim

tkb289 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Holden

The centers on my FIA wheels are an "antique" white with polished rims.

Jim

Jim,

Did your wheels come painted or was that done after you purchased them?

If you did have them painted, any recommendations ?

Thanks!

- Tim

tkb289 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RAO-3

Tim, great to see your car moving right along...lots of details to work out and keep you busy. You will have a bit of time to work things out when the body is bonded to the frame and it's off at the painter.

-Ray

Ray,

Has your car made it to 'the lift' yet?

Next time you are at ERA keep an eye out for 2136 ... thanks!

- Tim

RAO-3 · #11 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tkb289

Ray,

Has your car made it to 'the lift' yet?

Next time you are at ERA keep an eye out for 2136 ... thanks!

- Tim

#775 on the lift for a bit, now waiting on the 6 pin hubs. Getting close....

I should be taking a trip up there in a few weeks and will look for #2136 then.

-Ray

Jim Holden · #12 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 06:12 AM

The wheels and tires came from the ERA prototype FIA. When that car was sold and "went west" it went with a new set of wheels and street tires. This set was lying around the shop and I really liked they way they looked, and so.......... I would surmise that they were originally painted by Teddy at the shop. He usually ends up with that sort of chore and has done them for me before (my GT40s).

Jim

RodKnock · #13 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 12:16 PM

Tim,

I know where you might find a local early 5-bolt or 6-bolt 289. I'll pass along his info, if you're interested. Trustworthy guy, to the best of my knowledge.

tkb289 · #14 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Tim,

I know where you might find a local early 5-bolt or 6-bolt 289. I'll pass along his info, if you're interested. Trustworthy guy, to the best of my knowledge.

Rodney,

Thanks for the lead ... sent you a PM.

- Tim

*13* · #15 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 03:43 PM

I kinda went out on a limb when I bought my Trigo FIA wheels. I believe, at that Time they didn't know if they would fit the big brakes. as it turned out, they fit fine. Trigo was local for me, so if they didn't fit returning them wasn't an issue. But to my point...different brands may be cast differently, I'm guessing, possibly differing in clearance dimensions???

ERA Chas · #16 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 04:34 PM

Forgot to mention the FIA's on mine were from Phil Schmidt.

1985 CCX · #17 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 05:26 PM

Tim

Keep in mind if you are looking for a 289 block you have a far larger transmission choice with a 6-bolt block (ie: Post 1964.5 yr) as the 5-bolt block requires a different bellhousing and the T10 has an early bolt pattern unlike the T10 associated with 6-bolt block.

I have an early T10 and need a 5-bolt block which is limiting. Good for authentic discussion however limiting with engine choice. Hindsight being 20/20 I would have went toploader or later T10 as 289/302's with 6-bolt block are easier to come by.

Best in your decision...

tkb289 · #18 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

Tim

Keep in mind if you are looking for a 289 block you have a far larger transmission choice with a 6-bolt block (ie: Post 1964.5 yr) as the 5-bolt block requires a different bellhousing and the T10 has an early bolt pattern unlike the T10 associated with 6-bolt block.

I have an early T10 and need a 5-bolt block which is limiting. Good for authentic discussion however limiting with engine choice. Hindsight being 20/20 I would have went toploader or later T10 as 289/302's with 6-bolt block are easier to come by.

Best in your decision...

Jeff,

Thanks for the info ...

Good point on the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt 289 blocks, I read about the differences and I would definitely go for a 6 bolt block and have more transmission choices.

Initially I was focussed on having a 289 and am still considering that option. The other way I may go, is to start with a new 302 block & crank, select some good heads and leave it at 'just' 302 cu in. With the proper carb, intake manifold and cam, it should make decent power.

My understanding is that aside from casting numbers, the only major difference between a 289 block and 302 block is the skirt length. If that is the case, then I suppose with a 289 crank and a 302 block one could have a 289 that way as well.

Just curious ... but are 'new' 289 cranks available?

- Tim

RodKnock · #19 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tkb289

Jeff,

Thanks for the info ...

Good point on the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt 289 blocks, I read about the differences and I would definitely go for a 6 bolt block and have more transmission choices.

Initially I was focussed on having a 289 and am still considering that option. The other way I may go, is to start with a new 302 block & crank, select some good heads and leave it at 'just' 302 cu in. With the proper carb, intake manifold and cam, it should make decent power.

My understanding is that aside from casting numbers, the only major difference between a 289 block and 302 block is the skirt length. If that is the case, then I suppose with a 289 crank and a 302 block one could have a 289 that way as well.

Just curious ... but are 'new' 289 cranks available?

- Tim

Tim, you may be able to find an NOS 289 standard or Hipo crank out there in the market. Additionally, you could conceivably get a machine shop to grind any type of crank you want brand new too.

I think a vintage 289/302 block or a new 302 (5.0 roller block-no ZDDP worries) is a great way to go. It's your build and you build it the way you want in order to make yourself happy.

PANAVIA · #20 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 10:02 PM

They repro just about everything these days but some stuff they dont. -- there are still holes in the 289 hipo land.

Tim , is there a particular year/race car you are trying to emulate >?

Specifically in engine land , there are a few key items that will point your build in a particular direction.

like , some of the early 289s had an oil fill in the front timing cover, and solid (no holes) in the valve cover.

I have several various vintage 289 blocks and can show you the differences in person. --

Larry is working on a vintage 289 build right now for a customer that would be a good reference piece for this project.

I also am working up a 289 D code build here in the next few weeks as we have a 64.5 convertible we are working on with a build date of 4.16.64.

(made the night before the mustang was released)

Steve