Club Cobra Keith Craft Motorsports  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Manufacturers, Engine Builders, tools, and parts. > Factory Five Racing

Welcome to Club Cobra!  The World's largest non biased Shelby Cobra related site!

  •  » Representation from nearly all Cobra/Daytona/GT40 manufacturers
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and nearly 1 million posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

Keith Craft Racing
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
August 2022
S M T W T F S
  1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31      
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 11:05 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 9
Not Ranked     
Default Bill @ FFCobra lost it?

Is it just me or has Bill lost it? He has banned so many people in the last few months and people are now even starting to make comments about it in posts.

He banned me (A month ago) for warning another guy that he might get banned for posting in a Bilstein thread. He ip banned my second identity for posting 3 times in an hour. ("You've been banned because you are a spammer.") He hasn't yet banned my 3rd or 4th identities, but I'm sure he'll get to them.

I am a forum addict and am a member of many forums and was an admin on a very active forum for about 6 years and I've never seen a forum run like his. I know he lost his father recently (As did I) but there must be something else going on in his life to drive him over the edge.

I know he's very supportive of FFR, but I really think Dave Smith would be unhappy about his censorship of everyone who speaks their mind. Dave seems very "American" and seems believe in all that is supposed to mean. He also seems to fight his own battles and I'd bet he wouldn't like what Bill has done with the honesty in the biggest FFR forum around.

Ahh well. This may become my new FFR home even though there is much more information to be had there. I'm guessing what is said here will be much less censored.

BTW. For any that have been banned and want to be able to register there you can do it a number of different ways and there is no way anyone but you will know who you are.


Now I'm off to the Bilstein thread.....even though I finally got Konis. I've noticed there is a surprising lack of talk about Dave's latest stickied post even though it should have sparked a lot of talk.
Sponsored Links
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 11:29 AM
berzerko's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: atlantic beach, ny
Cobra Make, Engine: hurricane 1075
Posts: 148
Not Ranked     
Default

not too long ago someone venting about the quality of his gtm kit was banned
and they sounded like legit gripes
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 11:49 AM
mrmustang's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
Gold Star Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville, SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,103
Not Ranked     
Default

Honestly, it's his forum and he can do with it what he likes. The really funny part is, he started the forum after complaining about the moderation of the cobraforum.com site and the same issues that he is now doing to his forum. Again it's his money on the line and he may have been warned about pending litigation that he himself might get sucked in to should he allow certain posts to stay and that may be why he is moderating in his current way.


Bill S.
__________________
Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a successful solution.

First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 11:50 AM
jwd's Avatar
jwd jwd is offline
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 1,226
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by berzerko View Post
not too long ago someone venting about the quality of his gtm kit was banned
and they sounded like legit gripes

I was following that thread when he got banned. Seemed he was posting threads about the poor quality of the GTM body, how nothing fit, and that it took forever to get the axles from FFR after being told many lies. Others were posting the same problems but for some reason, Silverpearl was banned.
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 12:38 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 9
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang View Post
Honestly, it's his forum and he can do with it what he likes.

Bill S.
Well, the way I see it, he thinks it's his forum, but any forum is only what the users make it and he is really taking away from the "feel" of the place. You can see everyone dancing around topics like they're walking on egg shells just waiting for the next ban. People will start looking for a better place and then it will all suffer.

As a forum admin I always walked the line to keep to the spirit of the site (Like limiting profanity and nudity of family oriented sites.) while not letting my own personal opinion enter into how I dealt with topics or users.

New users will quickly see that there is only Bill's version of honesty when it comes to Factory Five and many will believe he's covering for FFR. I happen to be a believer in FFR and I really like Dave Smith's integrity. Like I said before, I really think Dave would rather fight his own battles rather than have Bill cover up anything which might come off negatively toward FFR.

I say let the product and Dave speak for themselves rather than ban and lock everything which in BILL's opinion isn't right.
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 01:21 PM
computerworks's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
Posts: 10,362
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Questor View Post
This may become my new FFR home even though there is much more information to be had there. I'm guessing what is said here will be much less censored.
FFR guys have been and always are welcome here to discuss anything.

Let's be clear on one thing, though. If you have a personal issue with Bill Peirce, you should take it up with him directly and not create a public problem here.

We have a friendly and cooperative relationship with Bill and will not permit a feud to spill over.

ffcobra.com is a business and FFR pays for the focus. They can call the shots.

Let's leave it at that.

thanks

ron
ClubCobra Moderator.
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 02:53 PM
Banned
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 4
Not Ranked     
Default

I know what you mean! About a month ago Dave issued his fix for everyone affected to send their Bilstiens back to Bilstien for a rebuild at a cost of $32 each. Well Dave got so many bad responces to it he reneged and then stated he would come up with a new plan. He is still working on it todaybecause of problems with Bilstien

Well the thread was locked and all threads after that have been locked. I started a thread stating the negative comments had actually had a good outcome in that Dave knew most were unhappy. My point was that if the THAT thread was locked right away, Dave wouldn't have been aware and nothing would have changed. I wasn't badgering anyone except to point out that a Forum should be a two way street in some cases. Also, The Bilstien problem wasn't being handled by FFR anywhere else but on that forum. It is now. There is a warning on The FFR website

I went on to say that if ONE person had a beef with one vender... this wasn't the place to air it. The Bilstien problem is a world wide problem and also life threatening.

I WAS BANNED and the thread was removed

BY The way, I was banned by a MODERATOR not by Bill.

Last edited by AKA Snake; 09-27-2008 at 02:56 PM..
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 03:04 PM
JWheaton's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Midland Park, NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 389 427s/o
Posts: 1,247
Not Ranked     
Default

Everytime I read a thread about banning I think of the Witch scene in Monty Python. Not sure why. Clearly there is an analogy to the knight and the moderators in calming the crowds. (you could also say they are like the Monks beating their heads with wood as well in their efforts to moderate. I have to believe it must feel like that once in a while )

To all others Ban him, Ban him, Ban him, Ban him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 03:05 PM
mrmustang's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
Gold Star Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville, SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,103
Not Ranked     
Default

I find it strange as I never knew Questor was from Nova Scotia

Now AKA snake comes in from NY with much the same style of writing and the same "us vs them" statements


So, just how many IP addresses can one man have, oh wait, he did say "there are ways"


Pretty obsessed if you ask me



Bill S.



PS: Ron, your PM box is full again
__________________
Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a successful solution.

First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 03:37 PM
Banned
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 4
Not Ranked     
Default

Boy! Talk about Obsessed!
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 03:46 PM
mrmustang's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
Gold Star Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville, SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,103
Not Ranked     
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA Snake View Post
Boy! Talk about Obsessed!
Obsessed, nope, paranoid about someone who openly states that he plays games with multiple accounts only to have a first time user come in and back up the first parties statements with the same writing style........HHHHmmmmmm, maybe




Bill S.
__________________
Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a successful solution.

First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:08 PM
patrickt's Avatar
Half-Ass Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 21,321
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang View Post
So, just how many IP addresses can one man have, oh wait, he did say "there are ways"
Just bounce off a proxy. For an exhaustive list of proxies, go here: http://www.samair.ru/proxy/type-01.htm and you can bounce off the country of your choosing.
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:16 PM
mrmustang's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
Gold Star Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville, SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,103
Not Ranked     
Exclamation

Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
Just bounce off a proxy. For an exhaustive list of proxies, go here: http://www.samair.ru/proxy/type-01.htm and you can bounce off the country of your choosing.
Impressive, but would you take anyone seriously that must stoop to using such a web service or site?


Bill S.
__________________
Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a successful solution.

First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:18 PM
patrickt's Avatar
Half-Ass Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 21,321
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang View Post
Impressive, but would you take anyone seriously that must stoop to using such a web service or site?
Only if he stoops to conquer....
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:23 PM
Banned
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 4
Not Ranked     
Default

Mr Muckstang...
Looks like your insinuating that Questor and I are the same person. You an Idiot! Do you just go around trying to make trouble. now there's a reason to be BANNED!
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:36 PM
mrmustang's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
Gold Star Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville, SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,103
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA Snake View Post
Mr Muckstang...
Looks like your insinuating that Questor and I are the same person. You an Idiot! Do you just go around trying to make trouble. now there's a reason to be BANNED!
My, my, aren't we a bit on the touchy side, "I" insinuate nothing, but with your posting style, perhaps you should be banned from ffcobra...Although, I do not show your account there listed as banned, but I do show your last post there as being on 12-09-2004, 05:20 PM. Maybe you are confused as to whether you were banned there under this user name, or maybe not. Your long absence and your appearance here now does appear a strange coincidence though...........



Bill S.
__________________
Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a successful solution.

First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:59 PM
Great Asp's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: St. Louis, Missouri, MO
Cobra Make, Engine: SPO 2715
Posts: 1,648
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA Snake View Post
Mr Muckstang...
Looks like your insinuating that Questor and I are the same person. You an Idiot! Do you just go around trying to make trouble. now there's a reason to be BANNED!
"You an Idiot!"

Take time to check your insults before posting.

What MM is stating is that people come on to this (and other) websites to do not much besides stir the pot. They do this using false or incomplete information on themselves up to and including bouncing their IP address.

If you're not a troll then don't act like one. Try getting to know people on this site before calling a long time member and poster an "idiot". By some coincidence you just suggested someone be banned which is the same problem that the "OP" had at FFC.

I do not know MM, but the last time I checked (on this website AND others) he posts positive and helpful information. That's how he got up to almost 7700 posts on this website alone.

Eric < yeah, that's my name
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 04:59 PM
JWheaton's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Midland Park, NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 389 427s/o
Posts: 1,247
Not Ranked     
Default

What else floats in water?

Ducks
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 05:14 PM
mrmustang's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
Gold Star Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville, SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,103
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JWheaton View Post
What else floats in water?

Ducks
What else floats in water?


Bread, Apples, Uh, very small rocks, Cherries?
__________________
Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a successful solution.

First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 09-27-2008, 06:40 PM
Jamo's Avatar
Super Moderator
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Fresno, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
Posts: 14,425
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA Snake View Post
Mr Muckstang...
Looks like your insinuating that Questor and I are the same person. You an Idiot! Do you just go around trying to make trouble. now there's a reason to be BANNED!
I don't like you already. One more assinine post and you (and all of the others in your head) will be out of here.

Ron posted an advisory to everyone about coming here and *****ing about Bill. A few of you ignored it. Stop now.

Let's be clear about this...we don't care what happens over there. We're not going to let this site turn into a focus group for former FFR Forum folks. If you can't get along over there, sell your FFR and buy something else.
__________________
Jamo
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink