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06-15-2010, 10:27 AM
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I second the Romac balancer.
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I'll also agree on the Romac steel balancer. Mine is 7-1/2". It's very well made, and it does only have the one timing mark. Just used a piston stop to verify the mark, then re-checked with a dial-back timing light, then for good measure I put on the MSD timing tape so I can use my self-powered timing light anytime with little hassle....
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06-15-2010, 10:37 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by Bernica
I'll also agree on the Romac ... and it does only have the one timing mark.
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As of this morning mine's on a UPS truck just leaving Little Rock. As soon as I get it I'll post some shots. |
06-15-2010, 10:53 AM
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Patrick,
Here's the timing tape I ended up using. As you can see, they come in many sizes on one sheet. Good luck with the fix!!
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06-14-2010, 03:12 PM
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Yes, there is on this SBF one...
When you order your crank bolt, just order some MSD timing tape and you'll be all set and ready to go.
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06-14-2010, 03:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
Yes, there is on this SBF one...
When you order your crank bolt, just order some MSD timing tape and you'll be all set and ready to go.
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Ordered that crank bolt last night.  I'll just pick some timing tape up at Pep Boys. What's the diameter of that balancer? 7"? |
06-14-2010, 05:04 PM
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I don't have the answer to that off the top of my head......
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06-14-2010, 05:05 PM
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I don't have the answer to that off the top of my head......
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That's ok, I bet you know the correct torque for my new ARP crank bolt though off the top of your head....  |
06-14-2010, 06:33 PM
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Use the ARP number for their bolt size and they may recommend their lube-not Loctite.
Also, you may have some trouble finding the correct tape size. On my old balancer I found that 7 1/4" was not always 7 1/4" on the tape marked 7 1/4". I bought several tape sizes and measured the circumference of the balancer and the length of the tape to get close.
Hope your Romac has at least 0 -40 degrees etched in-much better than tape. The IW and the ATI are marked completely. Still-check TDC.
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06-14-2010, 06:34 PM
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Use the ARP number for their bolt size and they may recommend their lube-not Loctite.
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I just spent about 20 minutes on their web site and couldn't find it.   |
06-14-2010, 06:40 PM
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Just edited that post-look again. Mine was 115 lbft.
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06-14-2010, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas
...look again. Mine was 115 lbft.
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Ahhh, c'mon Chas... won't you look for me? Pleeaassseee....  115 ft/lbs seems awful high, but if you can find it on the ARP site then I'll personally bow down and proclaim your torque expertise. |
06-14-2010, 06:50 PM
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Just edited that post-look again. Mine was 115 lbft.
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CORRECTION: I misspoke. The ARP spec with their lube for a 5/8-18 is 189lbft. (243 with oil!) I think all I could muster was 130 on my back under the car.
I used to watch 4 engine builders torque them with impact guns set on kill.
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06-14-2010, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas
CORRECTION: I misspoke. The ARP spec with their lube for a 5/8-18 is 189lbft. (243 with oil!) I think all I could muster was 130 on my back under the car.
I used to watch 4 engine builders torque them with impact guns set on kill. |
189 ft/lbs?!? Uhhhh, I'd like a second opinion on that from the gallery please.  |
06-14-2010, 07:06 PM
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189 ft/lbs?!? Uhhhh, I'd like a second opinion on that from the gallery please.
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Pat-that's straight off the ARP bolt spec sheet I have taped to my cabinet. If I must, I'll take a snap tomorrow morning for you.
We may joust all the time but I wouldn't lie to ya. As I said, some pros use an impact which is at least 150lbft. 130 has been fine for 12 seasons for me.
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06-14-2010, 07:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ERA Chas
Pat-that's straight off the ARP bolt spec sheet I have taped to my cabinet. If I must, I'll take a snap tomorrow morning for you.
We may joust all the time but I wouldn't lie to ya. As I said, some pros use an impact which is at least 150lbft. 130 has been fine for 12 seasons for me.
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I believe you; I just wonder if that's right though for that particular application -- Chevrolets don't have that big of a bolt up there. Maybe Keith, Barry, & Brent will tell me what they do. My torque wrench only goes up to 100 ft/lbs. I bet my arm doesn't go up a whole lot higher than that either. |
06-14-2010, 08:14 PM
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ARP torque spec sheet...where is it on their Web page?
I am reinstalling the flywheel (aluminum) and pressure plate on my car.
Just called ARP's tech line this afternoon. Very helpful, discussed the torque values with oil, locktite and moly...
OK, where is the bolt/torque chart on ARP's site? I have not seen it, but I am sure its there.
I have an old general torque chart from a Sears beam-bar torque wrench package. Of course it doesn't touch on effect of different lubes on the threads and torque required.
Always like to find good references on torques, techniques to apply it accurately
Would be good to see a thread on proper tightening to achieve correct torque and the bolt stretching that is necessary to get it.
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas
Pat-that's straight off the ARP bolt spec sheet I have taped to my cabinet. If I must, I'll take a snap tomorrow morning for you.
We may joust all the time but I wouldn't lie to ya. As I said, some pros use an impact which is at least 150lbft. 130 has been fine for 12 seasons for me.
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06-14-2010, 07:17 PM
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Yes I'd like to hear from our pros on here too. You could get your impact with extension over the K-member on it.
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06-15-2010, 06:23 AM
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Yes I'd like to hear from our pros on here too. You could get your impact with extension over the K-member on it.
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You're not concerned about over-torquing with an impact wrench? 
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06-15-2010, 06:53 AM
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You're not concerned about over-torquing with an impact wrench? |
Again, I watched it happen everyday. These were IR or Snap On guns-all were set well over 100. No warranty returns due to crank nose or damper bolt failures.
As stated I set my own by hand at 130, 12 years ago. We all have our own preferences based on experience-I do not claim mine is the only way.
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06-14-2010, 11:16 PM
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Right Here:
http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Catalog.html Page 24
The fastener itself may be capable of that torque value however that might be overkill for the intended application, I would follow the torque spec provided by the damper Mfgr or else use OEM specified torque. Don't break the snout or you'll REALLY be pissed! 189 Ft lbs seems like way too much to secure the damper.
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