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patrickt 12-06-2019 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1469392)
I have never understood why threads get locked (not picking on this forum).
Threads used to get closed when the prejudicial impact of the posts outweighed the probative value of the information. That, at least, was the test in the ol' days....%/

t walgamuth 12-06-2019 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1469422)
Threads used to get closed when the prejudicial impact of the posts outweighed the probative value of the information. That, at least, was the test in the ol' days....%/
Are you a lawyer?:p

jhv48 12-06-2019 07:38 AM
Here’s a question I get asked a lot. And usually it’s from a guy that pulls up next to me at a traffic light. “Hey, what year is that?”
So how do you truthfully answer that question in fifteen seconds while idling Loudly next to another vehicle?
I don’t have the time at the light to explain that my car was built in 2009 to replicate a 1965 vehicle while my car is exploding out of the sidepipe right next to his ear.
So, I lie and say “1965” just to avoid a shouting match. Just seems simpler.
My bad.

jhv48 12-06-2019 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA 626 (Post 1469357)
your "witty comeback" is not witty, its annoying and stupid. I'm done wasting my bandwidth debating this topic with someone who likes to see himself be a TROLL. Im done. And we dont care what you think, its obvious with all the replys here, go ahead a re-read your 65 page post.. have fun.
Does Evan have a son?

kevins2 12-06-2019 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1469433)
Here’s a question I get asked a lot. And usually it’s from a guy that pulls up next to me at a traffic light. “Hey, what year is that?”
So how do you truthfully answer that question in fifteen seconds while idling Loudly next to another vehicle?
I don’t have the time at the light to explain that my car was built in 2009 to replicate a 1965 vehicle while my car is exploding out of the sidepipe right next to his ear.
So, I lie and say “1965” just to avoid a shouting match. Just seems simpler.
My bad.
I answer "It's a 6 year old replica of a 1966 Shelby Cobra". Short enough to shout to someone who asks that question. And, you're right, it gets asked a lot.

ERA 626 12-06-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1469435)
Does Evan have a son?
I don't mind having an intelligent conversation with some one, but when some one says" a Shelby is a replica of a Shelby" that's just plain stupid.

I have said many times in this thread, I have much respect for the top shelf replicas, I owned one for 17 years and loved it. Peter P and David Kirkham are the best as it gets as representatives in the hobby that we all love here.

If it has a CSX Vin# made by HST/Hi-tech, its a Shelby. FACT. is it original? NO. it is a continuation of the Shelby from the 60's FACT.

Are they better? that's a complete different topic

twobjshelbys 12-06-2019 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1469433)
Here’s a question I get asked a lot. And usually it’s from a guy that pulls up next to me at a traffic light. “Hey, what year is that?”
So how do you truthfully answer that question in fifteen seconds while idling Loudly next to another vehicle?
I don’t have the time at the light to explain that my car was built in 2009 to replicate a 1965 vehicle while my car is exploding out of the sidepipe right next to his ear.
So, I lie and say “1965” just to avoid a shouting match. Just seems simpler.
My bad.
You answered correctly because that is the question he asked. It happened alot at gas stations. Imagine if he'd asked an you said 2009 and he called Hillbank and said "I want one of those 2009 Cobra cars". If they probe deeper about its origin and lineage and who built it and when and most of the time they get the doe-in-the-headlights look since they didn't really ask a question that required a PhD dissertation.

Buzz 12-06-2019 11:28 AM
Hi-Tech builds the cars by contractual arrangement and ships them to Shelby for finishing, branding and selling. Essentially the same as the relationship Shelby had with AC in the 60's.
Having said that though, when the hoi polloi yell "Is it real?", 100% of them are asking if its an original from the sixties that's worth a small fortune.
So unless you're actually driving one of those, the only correct answer is "No."

EDIT: I suppose if you're driving a modern day Shelby Cobra, and you're in a conversational mood - you could say yes, but it's not an original from the sixties. Problem with that is, half the time they'll mutter "kit car" in a derogatory tone and walk away disgusted. :LOL::LOL:

Blue66 12-06-2019 02:06 PM
Didn't Shelby buy original Cobra's as "rollers" in the 60's from AC in England ? :eek: Winter is here ! :D

jhv48 12-06-2019 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue66 (Post 1469448)
Didn't Shelby buy original Cobra's as "rollers" in the 60's from AC in England ? :eek: Winter is here ! :D
And we’re off to another 10 pages of discussion.
At least the discussion is being kept civil.
Not like a couple of years ago.

mrmustang 12-06-2019 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1469435)
does evan have a son?
:lol::lol::lol:

ERA 626 12-06-2019 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 1469442)
Hi-Tech builds the cars by contractual arrangement and ships them to Shelby for finishing, branding and selling. Essentially the same as the relationship Shelby had with AC in the 60's.
Having said that though, when the hoi polloi yell "Is it real?", 100% of them are asking if its an original from the sixties that's worth a small fortune.
So unless you're actually driving one of those, the only correct answer is "No."

EDIT: I suppose if you're driving a modern day Shelby Cobra, and you're in a conversational mood - you could say yes, but it's not an original from the sixties. Problem with that is, half the time they'll mutter "kit car" in a derogatory tone and walk away disgusted. :LOL::LOL:
When people ask "is it real"? When I owned my ERA i said" its a real ERA" with a confused look they say OK.

Now when asked "is it real"? I say its a real Shelby, most people have no clue on the history of these cars and most do not know the difference between a cheap kit car vs. a top shelf replica. If Im in a chat mood Ill chat about it, otherwise "yes its a real ERA" or "yes its a real Shelby"

peterpjb 12-07-2019 03:23 AM
the problem in this discussion is, that neither the originals owners nor the replica or Kirkham
owners like the fact that CSX 4000-8000 are real Shelby Cobras.

so if there would be a survey, 98% would deny it....

patrickt 12-07-2019 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1469461)
so if there would be a survey, 98% would deny it....
I, for one, try and deny anything I don't like.:cool:

twobjshelbys 12-07-2019 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1469461)
the problem in this discussion is, that neither the originals owners nor the replica or Kirkham
owners like the fact that CSX 4000-8000 are real Shelby Cobras.

so if there would be a survey, 98% would deny it....
The original owners I talked with didn't care. They knew my car was made by Shelby, but also knew it would do nothing to diminsh the value of their original.

Kirkham owners tend to say "your aluminum Shelby is just a Kirkham". That used to not be true - they were made differently just like HiTech's Shelbys are different from the Superformance versions, but now the aluminum Shelby's just are Kirkhams with Shelby badges applied. Oh, and for the most part, painted as they should be.

ERA 626 12-07-2019 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys (Post 1469470)
The original owners I talked with didn't care. They knew my car was made by Shelby, but also knew it would do nothing to diminsh the value of their original.

Kirkham owners tend to say "your aluminum Shelby is just a Kirkham". That used to not be true - they were made differently just like HiTech's Shelbys are different from the Superformance versions, but now the aluminum Shelby's just are Kirkhams with Shelby badges applied. Oh, and for the most part, painted as they should be.
That is well said... spot on.

rodneym 12-16-2019 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1469449)
And we’re off to another 10 pages of discussion.
It's only thing keeping this site alive %/

RB60 12-17-2019 01:06 AM
What do you say when some idiot comes up and asks "what year Corvette is that" (and yes, some idiot DID ask me that)?

t walgamuth 12-17-2019 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue66 (Post 1469448)
Didn't Shelby buy original Cobra's as "rollers" in the 60's from AC in England ? :eek: Winter is here ! :D
That is my understanding.

Buzz 12-17-2019 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RB60 (Post 1469787)
What do you say when some idiot comes up and asks "what year Corvette is that" (and yes, some idiot DID ask me that)?
One fella down here used to yell "Aston Martin" every time I drove by in the Cobra! :LOL:


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