Originally Posted by twobjshelbys (Post 1469320)

You know, you keep repeating this stuff. There is no factual statement from Shelby that he invented the term "continuation", only the unverified claim in the Registry, which is not a definitive source of Shelby's business practices or intent. So you can continue to claim it since it suits your agenda, but it's nothing more than hearsay.

Also, your claim that Shelby is owned by someone else is flat out blatantly false. The information as to the evolution to Carroll Shelby International is available. Shelby was majority owner (by about 70%). Presuming that went to his estate the family still is in control by a large margin. Surely you don't think that if someone else owned it things wouldn't have changed?

You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts.

Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1469321)

Uhhh, RodKnock… have the conditions in the Bay area finally gotten to you? You seem to be more "on the edge" than you used to be. That dog is going to be good for your mental health.%/

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1469323)

And you're wrong about the Shelby company. A majority stake was sold to another company. And that new company took CSI public. At the time, I believe Shelby retained 25% of the new company.

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1469322)

Sure, they made a "profit." We always make a "profit" when selling our cars. ;)

Of course, there's the time value of money, gas, insurance, registration, repairs, upgrades, etc. to consider too.

Oh, let's not forget the fact that in the last decade the S&P 500 has roughly tripled in value.

If I sell my Kirkham now, then I'll make a profit too. ;) Profits aren't limited to only one brand of Cobra replica. I haven't checked lately, but Kirkham's and ERA's production has about 1-2 year wait list. In fact, the Kirkham's moved to a larger facility.

BTW, Evan claimed he sold his car for a lot of money, but someone here on CC has posted that was a lie. More internet stories of fabulous wealth tp be gained by owning a Shelby replica. ;)

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1469323)

The facts are in the Registry. Shelby was interviewed for the Registry. Ned Scudder is one of the world's foremost experts on Cobras. Period. You can disagree with the Registry and Ned, but I'll go with the Ned and the Registry.

Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1469342)

lets see whats the registry (2008) really says:

on page 30 under the list of SAAC working definitions for describing Cobras:

CSX 1000-4000-7000-8000:

"current production Cobras built by Shelby..."


and under the CSX 4000 topic:

" They were not exactly original, but neither were they replicas, either..."


if Shelby would build an D-Type, then this car would be a replica built by Shelby, but if Jaguar build it, its a genuine, real Jaguar D-type of current production, a continuation D-Type

so Shelby cannot build a replica of ist own creation, it is naturally a continuation production

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1469319)

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the marketing "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's. :LOL:

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now. (We all know Shelby never made a fiberglass Cobra in the 1960's) :LOL:

Originally Posted by ERA 626 (Post 1469357)

your "witty comeback" is not witty, its annoying and stupid. I'm done wasting my bandwidth debating this topic with someone who likes to see himself be a TROLL. Im done. And we dont care what you think, its obvious with all the replys here, go ahead a re-read your 65 page post.. have fun.

Originally Posted by xb-60 (Post 1469327)

I keep telling myself to stay away from this 'discussion'....but we're all car blokes so common sense goes out the window.

Here's my once only take on it.

What is a Shelby' car? If it was made by the Shelby company, or made under a Shelby contract by another company for Shelby, then surely, yes, it must be a 'Shelby'.

What is a 'Cobra'? If it's preceded by the Shelby name, it can only be one of the 998 cars that left the Shelby premises back in the 1960s

If it's a Shelby Cobra Continuation car, then it is a Shelby authorised 'replica' of the '60s Shelby Cobras. You can try and get around that description using a semantics argument, but you can't get away from the fact that a Shelby Cobra Continuation car is not a Shelby Cobra.

I'm out :D

Cheers!
Glen