How do you answer, "Is it real?"

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yep, a CSX 4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 is a good old replica. No disrespect taken at all.

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents.

true, but that doesn't diminishes the stated facts

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

true, but that doesn't diminishes the stated facts

That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

Yep, we've been trying to get a few people here to grok this fact for years and somehow it just whizzes right over their heads.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

From Ned Scudder (Nedsel), the caretaker of the Shelby World Registry for the only real Cobras, those built between 1962-1967 (page 57, post #1127), and the world's foremost expert on Cobras, since you guys refuse to read the old 64-page thread:

Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

"This is simply pointing out the obvious, but all Evan has taught anyone is how to be obstinate, selective in one's statement of the facts, and twist reality to suit his agenda. Both the registry and the SAAC website clearly state the later Shelby-built Cobras are replicas of the 60's icon, but Evan focuses only on the club's decision to call them something else to help distinguish them from other replicas.

Face the facts: a car built to copy something built by a different company some 35 years earlier with different tooling and materials in a dissimilar manner on a different continent with an entirely different corporate structure, clearly can't be the same as the original. The story of Pinocchio was a fable, and even though a fairy princess turned a bundle of sticks into a "real, live, boy,"no fairy can turn a 2001 Shelby Cobra into a real 1965 AC-Shelby Cobra.

But if and when it happens, please let us know."

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

Your opinion isn't a fact. It's an opinion. Read the World Registry or just read Ned Scudder's comments in the old thread.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Your opinion isn't a fact. It's an opinion. Read the World Registry or just read Ned Scudder's comments in the old thread.

good grief. Tell us, precisely what isn't factual there?

The "World Registry" has become an obsolete work. Noone cares any more, and what in it made it the sole source? It's a collection of random facts. And it's relevance is asymptotically approaching zero. Since it now includes only originals, and since the pay grade of all of the original owners is way above anything what that book includes, it's market is those interested academically in one or more of the cars. It's a coffee table book at best. Eliminating the replicas cut the potential customer base in more than half and alienated the owners that were in the book so they won't buy one at all, probably not even the previous version. Brilliant going out of business strategy. I almost bought one until I saw what it had and then went to a public location and photographed some relevant pages and saved myself a whole bunch of money. Is it printed in stock in a warehouse or is now print on demand? Or will it be printed at all?

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry

um its NOT superformance its Hi-tech the parent Co.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

um its NOT superformance its Hi-tech the parent Co.

Thanks for correcting that and agreeing with everything else

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Thanks for correcting that and agreeing with everything else

You are part of the problem here, follow your signature line... you seem to like to argue... yes The 6000 series CSX cars are made by Hi-Tech... your point?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents.

And neither are any of the others sold as turnkey cars. Even your beloved ERA and Kirkham come without an engine. Pretty to park in the living room and look at unless you put a power train in it. Like all of them. Somehow this isn't news. Your point is?

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

well said amazing how many people dont understand... 99.9% of them are people who dont own CSX cars, nothing wrong with the handful of top shelf cars, in fact I see a Kirkham in my future. Just saying.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

The "original maker" no longer really exists. The Shelby company has been sold at least a couple times and then went public. If Shelby retains any ownership, then it's a minority interest and diluted at best.

They're replicas and it's expressely stated as such in the 2008 World Registry. That's evidence. And the leading expert of the original and only real Cobras stated their replicas.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The "original maker" no longer really exists. The Shelby company has been sold at least a couple times and then went public. If Shelby retains any ownership, then it's a minority interest and diluted at best.

They're replicas and it's expressely stated as such in the 2008 World Registry. That's evidence. And the leading expert of the original and only real Cobras stated their replicas.

the original maker is no other than CS, and at least until 2012 he had all the rights to build his car under his name and if you read the 2008 carefully it is stated that the later csx are not replicas.
nobody claims they are 62-67 originals.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

the original maker is no other than CS, and at least until 2012 he had all the rights to build his car under his name and if you read the 2008 carefully it is stated that the later csx are not replicas.
nobody claims they are 62-67 originals.

The "original maker" is long gone. Diluted by leveraged buyouts. CS sold out long ago.

Yes, the 2008 Registry does state they're replicas. Have read the term "true replica" in the Registry? It's there among other references.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

nobody claims they are 62-67 originals.

Well duh. No one, as far as I know, has ever said the Shelby replicas are originals.

The Sheby replicas are, well, replicas, produced 30 years after the originals. Are they real Shelby Cobras? No, not in my opinion. Real Shelby Cobras were produced from 1962-1967. Those are the only real Shelby Cobras. The others are clones, replicas, etc.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well duh. No one, as far as I know, has ever said the Shelby replicas are originals.

The Sheby replicas are, well, replicas, produced 30 years after the originals. Are they real Shelby Cobras? No, not in my opinion. Real Shelby Cobras were produced from 1962-1967. Those are the only real Shelby Cobras. The others are clones, replicas, etc.

simple facts:

are they Shelbys? yes
are they Cobras? yes, (Shelby has the rights for the name)
so why should they be replicas?

I believe in facts and not in opinions
but hey, you can repeat your opinion as often you like, it has no relevance and I don’t care

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

simple facts:

are they Shelbys? yes
are they Cobras? yes, (Shelby has the rights for the name)
so why should they be replicas?

i believe in facts and not in opinions
but hey, you can repeat your opinion as often you like, it has no relevance and i don’t care

As has been shown here many times, you're arguing with a brick wall. Fortunately, the Continuation Cobras continue to sell all they can make, and used versions regularly sell for more than they cost. (In fact, of the owners I made contact with while I had mine, all sold for a tidy profit, as did I. And Evan.) That may be what upsets them the most.