How do you answer, "Is it real?"

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

nobody claims they are 62-67 originals.

Well duh. No one, as far as I know, has ever said the Shelby replicas are originals.

The Sheby replicas are, well, replicas, produced 30 years after the originals. Are they real Shelby Cobras? No, not in my opinion. Real Shelby Cobras were produced from 1962-1967. Those are the only real Shelby Cobras. The others are clones, replicas, etc.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well duh. No one, as far as I know, has ever said the Shelby replicas are originals.

The Sheby replicas are, well, replicas, produced 30 years after the originals. Are they real Shelby Cobras? No, not in my opinion. Real Shelby Cobras were produced from 1962-1967. Those are the only real Shelby Cobras. The others are clones, replicas, etc.

simple facts:

are they Shelbys? yes
are they Cobras? yes, (Shelby has the rights for the name)
so why should they be replicas?

I believe in facts and not in opinions
but hey, you can repeat your opinion as often you like, it has no relevance and I don’t care

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

simple facts:

are they Shelbys? yes
are they Cobras? yes, (Shelby has the rights for the name)
so why should they be replicas?

i believe in facts and not in opinions
but hey, you can repeat your opinion as often you like, it has no relevance and i don’t care

As has been shown here many times, you're arguing with a brick wall. Fortunately, the Continuation Cobras continue to sell all they can make, and used versions regularly sell for more than they cost. (In fact, of the owners I made contact with while I had mine, all sold for a tidy profit, as did I. And Evan.) That may be what upsets them the most.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

As has been shown here many times, you're arguing with a brick wall. Fortunately, the Continuation Cobras continue to sell all they can make, and used versions regularly sell for more than they cost. (In fact, of the owners I made contact with while I had mine, all sold for a tidy profit, as did I. And Evan.) That may be what upsets them the most.

Sure, they made a "profit." We always make a "profit" when selling our cars.

Of course, there's the time value of money, gas, insurance, registration, repairs, upgrades, etc. to consider too.

Oh, let's not forget the fact that in the last decade the S&P 500 has roughly tripled in value.

If I sell my Kirkham now, then I'll make a profit too. Profits aren't limited to only one brand of Cobra replica. I haven't checked lately, but Kirkham's and ERA's production has about 1-2 year wait list. In fact, the Kirkham's moved to a larger facility.

BTW, Evan claimed he sold his car for a lot of money, but someone here on CC has posted that was a lie. More internet stories of fabulous wealth tp be gained by owning a Shelby replica.

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Sure, they made a "profit." We always make a "profit" when selling our cars.

Of course, there's the time value of money, gas, insurance, registration, repairs, upgrades, etc. to consider too.

Oh, let's not forget the fact that in the last decade the S&P 500 has roughly tripled in value.

If I sell my Kirkham now, then I'll make a profit too. Profits aren't limited to only one brand of Cobra replica. I haven't checked lately, but Kirkham's and ERA's production has about 1-2 year wait list. In fact, the Kirkham's moved to a larger facility.

BTW, Evan claimed he sold his car for a lot of money, but someone here on CC has posted that was a lie. More internet stories of fabulous wealth tp be gained by owning a Shelby replica.

This guy must be drunk posting... if not he is not very bright... lol

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

This guy must be drunk posting... if not he is not very bright... lol

Just revisiting this site and thread.

Insults? Really? I’m a drunk, troll, stupid, etc. I’ll tell you what I don’t do. I don’t insult people. But, look, we’re both living in the SF Bay Area. Wear a face mask, keep 6’ of social distance and we’ll meet and I’ll tell you to your face you’re driving a Shelby replica.

You’re entitled to your opinion. And I’m entitled to mine. There’s absolutely nothing you, Tony or Peter can say to change my mind. Especially if you own a fiberglass/other than alloy Shelby replica

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You’re entitled to your opinion. And I’m entitled to mine. There’s absolutely nothing you, Tony or Peter can say to change my mind. Especially if you own a fiberglass/other than alloy Shelby replica

Don't you own an aluminum Shelby replica

Bill

PS: Missed you my friend

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Just revisiting this site and thread.

Did you miss Ellie's tow hook install on the ERA forum?

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... There’s absolutely nothing you, Tony or Peter can say to change my mind....

who cares?

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well duh. No one, as far as I know, has ever said the Shelby replicas are originals.

The Sheby replicas are, well, replicas, produced 30 years after the originals. Are they real Shelby Cobras? No, not in my opinion. Real Shelby Cobras were produced from 1962-1967. Those are the only real Shelby Cobras. The others are clones, replicas, etc.

how in the hell can a shelby be a replica of a shelby? these comments are stupid...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

how in the hell can a shelby be a replica of a shelby? these comments are stupid...

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the marketing "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's.

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now. (We all know Shelby never made a fiberglass Cobra in the 1960's)

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's.

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now.

You know, you keep repeating this stuff. There is no factual statement from Shelby that he invented the term "continuation", only the unverified claim in the Registry, which is not a definitive source of Shelby's business practices or intent. So you can continue to claim it since it suits your agenda, but it's nothing more than hearsay.

Also, your claim that Shelby is owned by someone else is flat out blatantly false. The information as to the evolution to Carroll Shelby International is available. Shelby was majority owner (by about 70%). Presuming that went to his estate the family still is in control by a large margin. Surely you don't think that if someone else owned it things wouldn't have changed?

You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

You know, you keep repeating this stuff. There is no factual statement from Shelby that he invented the term "continuation", only the unverified claim in the Registry, which is not a definitive source of Shelby's business practices or intent. So you can continue to claim it since it suits your agenda, but it's nothing more than hearsay.

Also, your claim that Shelby is owned by someone else is flat out blatantly false. The information as to the evolution to Carroll Shelby International is available. Shelby was majority owner (by about 70%). Presuming that went to his estate the family still is in control by a large margin. Surely you don't think that if someone else owned it things wouldn't have changed?

You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts.

The facts are in the Registry. Shelby was interviewed for the Registry. Ned Scudder is one of the world's foremost experts on Cobras. Period. You can disagree with the Registry and Ned, but I'll go with the Ned and the Registry.

And you're wrong about the Shelby company. A majority stake was sold to another company. And that new company took CSI public. At the time, I believe Shelby retained 25% of the new company.

"You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts." Same to you!

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And you're wrong about the Shelby company. A majority stake was sold to another company. And that new company took CSI public. At the time, I believe Shelby retained 25% of the new company.

What you believe is in fact incorrect. Fake news. I confirmed with due diligence for a sizeable contribution to the foundation. You need to "unbelieve" it.

PS. Stock today went up. 10c

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The facts are in the Registry. Shelby was interviewed for the Registry. Ned Scudder is one of the world's foremost experts on Cobras. Period. You can disagree with the Registry and Ned, but I'll go with the Ned and the Registry.

lets see whats the registry (2008) really says:

on page 30 under the list of SAAC working definitions for describing Cobras:

CSX 1000-4000-7000-8000:

"current production Cobras built by Shelby..."


and under the CSX 4000 topic:

" They were not exactly original, but neither were they replicas, either..."


if Shelby would build an D-Type, then this car would be a replica built by Shelby, but if Jaguar build it, its a genuine, real Jaguar D-type of current production, a continuation D-Type

so Shelby cannot build a replica of ist own creation, it is naturally a continuation production

[mrmustang]

Instead how about we focus on the holidays coming up

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

lets see whats the registry (2008) really says:

on page 30 under the list of SAAC working definitions for describing Cobras:

CSX 1000-4000-7000-8000:

"current production Cobras built by Shelby..."


and under the CSX 4000 topic:

" They were not exactly original, but neither were they replicas, either..."


if Shelby would build an D-Type, then this car would be a replica built by Shelby, but if Jaguar build it, its a genuine, real Jaguar D-type of current production, a continuation D-Type

so Shelby cannot build a replica of ist own creation, it is naturally a continuation production

There you have it.

The Jaguar continuation cars (which sold for what, about a million bucks each) were mentioned and those that said Shelby was wrong also asserted Jaguar was wrong. BTW, the Jaguar D-types are gorgeous but the E-type wins the prize.

[patrickt]

Uhhh, RodKnock… have the conditions in the Bay area finally gotten to you? You seem to be more "on the edge" than you used to be. That dog is going to be good for your mental health.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Uhhh, RodKnock… have the conditions in the Bay area finally gotten to you? You seem to be more "on the edge" than you used to be. That dog is going to be good for your mental health.

Feeling GREAT! What conditions in the Bay Area? I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the marketing "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's.

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now. (We all know Shelby never made a fiberglass Cobra in the 1960's)

your "witty comeback" is not witty, its annoying and stupid. I'm done wasting my bandwidth debating this topic with someone who likes to see himself be a TROLL. Im done. And we dont care what you think, its obvious with all the replys here, go ahead a re-read your 65 page post.. have fun.