How do you answer, "Is it real?"

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

how in the hell can a shelby be a replica of a shelby? these comments are stupid...

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the marketing "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's.

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now. (We all know Shelby never made a fiberglass Cobra in the 1960's)

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's.

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now.

You know, you keep repeating this stuff. There is no factual statement from Shelby that he invented the term "continuation", only the unverified claim in the Registry, which is not a definitive source of Shelby's business practices or intent. So you can continue to claim it since it suits your agenda, but it's nothing more than hearsay.

Also, your claim that Shelby is owned by someone else is flat out blatantly false. The information as to the evolution to Carroll Shelby International is available. Shelby was majority owner (by about 70%). Presuming that went to his estate the family still is in control by a large margin. Surely you don't think that if someone else owned it things wouldn't have changed?

You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

You know, you keep repeating this stuff. There is no factual statement from Shelby that he invented the term "continuation", only the unverified claim in the Registry, which is not a definitive source of Shelby's business practices or intent. So you can continue to claim it since it suits your agenda, but it's nothing more than hearsay.

Also, your claim that Shelby is owned by someone else is flat out blatantly false. The information as to the evolution to Carroll Shelby International is available. Shelby was majority owner (by about 70%). Presuming that went to his estate the family still is in control by a large margin. Surely you don't think that if someone else owned it things wouldn't have changed?

You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts.

The facts are in the Registry. Shelby was interviewed for the Registry. Ned Scudder is one of the world's foremost experts on Cobras. Period. You can disagree with the Registry and Ned, but I'll go with the Ned and the Registry.

And you're wrong about the Shelby company. A majority stake was sold to another company. And that new company took CSI public. At the time, I believe Shelby retained 25% of the new company.

"You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change the facts." Same to you!

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And you're wrong about the Shelby company. A majority stake was sold to another company. And that new company took CSI public. At the time, I believe Shelby retained 25% of the new company.

What you believe is in fact incorrect. Fake news. I confirmed with due diligence for a sizeable contribution to the foundation. You need to "unbelieve" it.

PS. Stock today went up. 10c

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The facts are in the Registry. Shelby was interviewed for the Registry. Ned Scudder is one of the world's foremost experts on Cobras. Period. You can disagree with the Registry and Ned, but I'll go with the Ned and the Registry.

lets see whats the registry (2008) really says:

on page 30 under the list of SAAC working definitions for describing Cobras:

CSX 1000-4000-7000-8000:

"current production Cobras built by Shelby..."


and under the CSX 4000 topic:

" They were not exactly original, but neither were they replicas, either..."


if Shelby would build an D-Type, then this car would be a replica built by Shelby, but if Jaguar build it, its a genuine, real Jaguar D-type of current production, a continuation D-Type

so Shelby cannot build a replica of ist own creation, it is naturally a continuation production

[mrmustang]

Instead how about we focus on the holidays coming up

[xb-60]

It's not that simple.

Is that a real tree....or a replica?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

lets see whats the registry (2008) really says:

on page 30 under the list of SAAC working definitions for describing Cobras:

CSX 1000-4000-7000-8000:

"current production Cobras built by Shelby..."


and under the CSX 4000 topic:

" They were not exactly original, but neither were they replicas, either..."


if Shelby would build an D-Type, then this car would be a replica built by Shelby, but if Jaguar build it, its a genuine, real Jaguar D-type of current production, a continuation D-Type

so Shelby cannot build a replica of ist own creation, it is naturally a continuation production

There you have it.

The Jaguar continuation cars (which sold for what, about a million bucks each) were mentioned and those that said Shelby was wrong also asserted Jaguar was wrong. BTW, the Jaguar D-types are gorgeous but the E-type wins the prize.

[patrickt]

Uhhh, RodKnock… have the conditions in the Bay area finally gotten to you? You seem to be more "on the edge" than you used to be. That dog is going to be good for your mental health.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Uhhh, RodKnock… have the conditions in the Bay area finally gotten to you? You seem to be more "on the edge" than you used to be. That dog is going to be good for your mental health.

Feeling GREAT! What conditions in the Bay Area? I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, any comment that disagrees with yours is considered "stupid." Of course.

My witty comeback is that anyone that thinks his post-1967 Shelby Cobra is a real Shelby Cobra has paid a large premium for a car that he/she believes has more value than any other replica just because of the Shelby name. I'm not buying the marketing "hype." Nor do I think they're "real."

The bottom line is that Shelby didn't want to call them replicas, so he came up with another name. It's right there in the 2008 Shelby World Registry. And one of the world's foremost Cobra experts states that the modern Shelbys are replicas.

If you read the old 64-page thread, then there's several posts where we discuss examples of companies reproducing items, such as watches for example, that are replicas of their original version.

30-40-50 years later, your Shelby Cobra replica uses completely different parts and materials, 1960's versus 2010's, and body too, it's a replica of the original real Shelby Cobra. And it's delivered incomplete. Engine, transmission, alignment, exhaust, etc. to be purchased and/or installed by owner. Just like the 1960's.

As I said, you can call it a real Shelby Cobra, you more than welcome to cling to that "religion." What do I care. But I, and at least Ned Scudder, know your Shelby is a replica.

For me, I wouldn't pay any premium for a Shelby. Buy a Kirkham, keep the Shelby badges. And if you own a fiberglass Shelby, then, well, er, uh, moving on now. (We all know Shelby never made a fiberglass Cobra in the 1960's)

your "witty comeback" is not witty, its annoying and stupid. I'm done wasting my bandwidth debating this topic with someone who likes to see himself be a TROLL. Im done. And we dont care what you think, its obvious with all the replys here, go ahead a re-read your 65 page post.. have fun.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

your "witty comeback" is not witty, its annoying and stupid. I'm done wasting my bandwidth debating this topic with someone who likes to see himself be a TROLL. Im done. And we dont care what you think, its obvious with all the replys here, go ahead a re-read your 65 page post.. have fun.

RodKnock, I think you struck a nerve.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

your "witty comeback" is not witty, its annoying and stupid. I'm done wasting my bandwidth debating this topic with someone who likes to see himself be a TROLL. Im done. And we dont care what you think, its obvious with all the replys here, go ahead a re-read your 65 page post.. have fun.

Does Evan have a son?

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Does Evan have a son?

I don't mind having an intelligent conversation with some one, but when some one says" a Shelby is a replica of a Shelby" that's just plain stupid.

I have said many times in this thread, I have much respect for the top shelf replicas, I owned one for 17 years and loved it. Peter P and David Kirkham are the best as it gets as representatives in the hobby that we all love here.

If it has a CSX Vin# made by HST/Hi-tech, its a Shelby. FACT. is it original? NO. it is a continuation of the Shelby from the 60's FACT.

Are they better? that's a complete different topic

[Buzz]

Hi-Tech builds the cars by contractual arrangement and ships them to Shelby for finishing, branding and selling. Essentially the same as the relationship Shelby had with AC in the 60's.
Having said that though, when the hoi polloi yell "Is it real?", 100% of them are asking if its an original from the sixties that's worth a small fortune.
So unless you're actually driving one of those, the only correct answer is "No."

EDIT: I suppose if you're driving a modern day Shelby Cobra, and you're in a conversational mood - you could say yes, but it's not an original from the sixties. Problem with that is, half the time they'll mutter "kit car" in a derogatory tone and walk away disgusted.

[Blue66]

Didn't Shelby buy original Cobra's as "rollers" in the 60's from AC in England ? Winter is here !

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Didn't Shelby buy original Cobra's as "rollers" in the 60's from AC in England ? Winter is here !

And we’re off to another 10 pages of discussion.
At least the discussion is being kept civil.
Not like a couple of years ago.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Didn't Shelby buy original Cobra's as "rollers" in the 60's from AC in England ? Winter is here !

That is my understanding.

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Hi-Tech builds the cars by contractual arrangement and ships them to Shelby for finishing, branding and selling. Essentially the same as the relationship Shelby had with AC in the 60's.
Having said that though, when the hoi polloi yell "Is it real?", 100% of them are asking if its an original from the sixties that's worth a small fortune.
So unless you're actually driving one of those, the only correct answer is "No."

EDIT: I suppose if you're driving a modern day Shelby Cobra, and you're in a conversational mood - you could say yes, but it's not an original from the sixties. Problem with that is, half the time they'll mutter "kit car" in a derogatory tone and walk away disgusted.

When people ask "is it real"? When I owned my ERA i said" its a real ERA" with a confused look they say OK.

Now when asked "is it real"? I say its a real Shelby, most people have no clue on the history of these cars and most do not know the difference between a cheap kit car vs. a top shelf replica. If Im in a chat mood Ill chat about it, otherwise "yes its a real ERA" or "yes its a real Shelby"

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by jhv48

does evan have a son?

:lol::lol::lol: