Its all dead

[Excaliber]

Well #1 is possible, in other words they might fall short of even 51 votes. They won't go for the option unless there sure they have that many first though.

#2 is a "maybe not". Sure SOME Demo's would loose election's, but I doubt it would be a wholesale slaughter. The Repubs haven't gained a lot of support, more like the Demo's are getting bashed as good the Repubs are now. Still it's a "vote against" rather than for syndrome. National support FOR the bill was/is gaining some traction. I suspect that had it passed it would gain even more support in time. Obama still looks like a safe bet for a second term, with or without it.

[bomelia]

You can just forget about it. The bill is dead. If they use reconciliation, only the parts that are consistant with the current budget are allowable. And much of that POC bill would not be allowable. And in the house, too many "yeses" are glad Brown won to get them out of this mess. And Obama set the stage with his comments that nothing wil happen until after Brown is seated. He too knows its over. Its about saving face now.

We do need health care reform, but not in the guise of entitlements and increased taxes.

Everything libs (commie red basturds) have hoped for is DOA.

Mike