ACLU starting trouble in Maricopia

[FWB]

they pay income taxes....hehehe how can they they're illegal. no SS number.
here are the grim facts read and be aware the downing economy is effected by these problems.

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[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by cavedog57

They pay income taxes thanks to payroll tax withholding -- same as you and I.

Illegal aliens are probably paid under the table.

[FWB]

pic that should be displayed at the border.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Illegal aliens are probably paid under the table.

Not by Tyson.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

Cavedog.... how do they gain rights RIGHTFULLY? Well it sure isn't crossing the border via someones backyard!!!!

You can do several things to gain citizenship! you can join the military, in doing so, they will even pay for the process!!! You can marry, and go through the processes, you can obtain work visa's, and so on!!!

I've got no problem fighting for the rights of a US citizen. Have a tough time fighting for the rights of an illegal taking the job of a US citizen!

I take it by your sig that you are currently serving in Afghanistan (or have in the recent past)? If so, could you explain exactly whose rights for whom you're fighting?

I already know the politically correct patriotic battlecry "Osama!", but am seeking instead the actual economic reason for our boots on the ground.

HINT: One of the companies which benefits from our troops' blood, sweat and tears named a ship after a corporate director who later became a (recent) Secretary of State.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by FWB

they pay income taxes....hehehe how can they they're illegal. no SS number.
here are the grim facts read and be aware the downing economy is effected by these problems.

Perhaps you should research the number of social security numbers from which payroll taxes are collected, but from which no return is filed.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

My grandfather was an illegal alien from Ireland. He became a legal US citizen by joining the Army in WWI.

Sounds like an option to me. Join the military or go back to where you came from.

Just what we need, a more militaristic society. Sorry guys, I'm part Blackfoot -- you're all invaders and illegal aliens as far as I'm concerned. Manifest Destiny my a$$...

The grim facts to which you refer (in a subsequent post) merely point out that we are being sold down the river by "American" banks and corporations. But you really can't blame them, after all there is money to be made and they own the best Congress money can buy.

Too bad we're such fools for their propaganda; blame illegal aliens, yeah right.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by FWB

cavedog, really? you have a problem with somebody ticked off that illegals get the same rights as a citizen?

No, they have every right to their opinion -- even if I consider it ignorant and ill-informed.

What I am concerned about, given the rapidly deteriorating economic situation, is vilifying and demonizing any group of people (on any basis) and denying them equal protection under the law. This is a seriously slippery slope -- one that Germany slid down in the 1920-30s.

If you want freedom, you'd better be prepared to defend that of the most helpless and repugnant among us.

The simple fact is that these illegal aliens, these people, live here. That there are corporations who benefit ($$) from their being here illegally. That the US government has turned a blind eye to illegal immigration for a very long time because of these corporations' political contributions.

[csx4910]

Just because they turn a blind eye doesn't make it right. You are correct that they will continue doing that if there is money to be made but there is a reason it is called "ILLEGAL" immigrant. If people enter illegally, they should be given the chance to become a citizen or be escorted out. If people dont agree with that , then get our lawmakers to make them legal. What good is having a law if they dont enforce it. Illegals either get paid under the table in cash or they fake SSN to get a regualar check. Either way our tax dollars go to help subsidize the govt and the corporations.

I do agree that if people really want to do something about it then we need to fortify our borders and heavily tax and punish the corporations that still employ them. Given the choice of losing thier business or following the law they wont have a choice. While I agree that we are all immigrants here except for the american indians, most of our ancestors came over and immigrated LEGALLY, not sneaking across the border at 2 am hoping they dont get caught!
Ron

[fsstnotch]

yep.... you do fit the bill of helpless and repungant.........

Exactly where do you think the 100's of terrorists that are killed each day would be if they weren't killing/being killed, here in afghanistan? Since you don't care about illegals... they'd be in YOUR back yard IDIOT! You are a fool! And now a blocked FOOL! Pull the head from your ass!

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by cavedog57

1)No, they have every right to their opinion -- even if I consider it ignorant and ill-informed.

2)What I am concerned about, given the rapidly deteriorating economic situation, is vilifying and demonizing any group of people (on any basis) and denying them equal protection under the law. This is a seriously slippery slope -- one that Germany slid down in the 1920-30s.

3)If you want freedom, you'd better be prepared to defend that of the most helpless and repugnant among us.

4)The simple fact is that these illegal aliens, these people, live here. That there are corporations who benefit ($$) from their being here illegally. That the US government has turned a blind eye to illegal immigration for a very long time because of these corporations' political contributions.

Back the bus up!

1)Illegal aliens can have their opinion just as soon as WE give it to them.

2)So you are comparing Hitlers vendetta against LEGAL GERMAN CITIZENS to people wanting to get rid of illegal foreign invaders in the U.S.?

3)They are invaders.They are NOT"among" us.

4)And?

[csx4910]

Fsstnotch, Are you referring to my comments or cavedog57 ? Frankly, My head is where it is supposed to be - on top of my neck!
Ron

[fsstnotch]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Fsstnotch, Are you referring to my comments or cavedog57 ? Frankly, My head is where it is supposed to be - on top of my neck!
Ron

No no, not you!

[csx4910]

Thanks!!! I have tired hard to keep my head out of the warm, dark place of my anatomy.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

yep.... you do fit the bill of helpless and repungant.........

Exactly where do you think the 100's of terrorists that are killed each day would be if they weren't killing/being killed, here in afghanistan? Since you don't care about illegals... they'd be in YOUR back yard IDIOT! You are a fool! And now a blocked FOOL! Pull the head from your ass!

Well, to be perfectly straightforward, if our troops were not in their countries supporting corrupt dictators and governments to "ensure stability" so that US corporations can exploit their natural resources and labor... maybe there wouldn't be so many terrorists in the world.

I guess you don't recall that the US government overthrew a democratically elected Iranian president in 1953 and installed a Shah complete with secret police and torture for anyone who objected... ahem, excuse me communists, oops, terrorists.

Or perhaps you've forgotten that the US government overthrew a democratically elected Chilean president in 1973 and installed a military dictatorship complete with secret police and torture for anyone who objected... ahem, excuse me marxists, oops, terrorists.

Or do you simply not remember that the US government launched an illegal, secret war in Nicaragua against a popular government which had wrested power from a long-time, brutal, US-backed dictator...

Or maybe it slipped your mind that during the mid to late 1990s (right up to 2001) several US companies were wooing the Taliban and buying them high-priced lobbyists to spruce up their image with Congress. Why? TAP -- the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline project intended to carry Caspian Sea oil and gas to Pakistan (where it can be shipped to China) and on to India. But the Taliban didn't bite. How interesting that the first public works project announced by the US and its newly installed Afghan government was a 300+ million dollar cross-Afghan highway project from Herat to Kandahar -- which just happens to follow the proposed pipeline route.

Need more examples? Consider the words of USMC Major General Smedley Butler, one of the most decorated Marines in Corps' history:

"I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force -- the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to major general. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers.

"In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism...

"I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical of everyone in the military service...

"Thus, I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers [in] 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested...

"During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotions. Looking back on it, I feel I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was operate his racket in three city districts. We Marines operated on three continents."

Now, if you like, you can call me all the names you want -- I've been called far worse by better men than you -- but as far as whose head is up their a$$? I humbly suggest you wipe the s&!t out of your eyes.

Alas, blocked. Oh my. Another right-winger scurrying back under his rock so that facts don't confuse him.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Back the bus up!

1)Illegal aliens can have their opinion just as soon as WE give it to them.

2)So you are comparing Hitlers vendetta against LEGAL GERMAN CITIZENS to people wanting to get rid of illegal foreign invaders in the U.S.?

3)They are invaders.They are NOT"among" us.

4)And?

1) Spoken like a man with respect not only for the first amendment, but human rights as well. Bravo!

2) Yes. Especially considering the worsening economic outlook and rise in popularity of fear-based demagoguery (just two among many factors).

3) They are illegal aliens. They are not invaders. The first is a result of human migration (which may be considered either legal or illegal depending on a number of factors) and the second an armed incursion by the military forces of a foreign power with the object of conquering and subjugating the inhabitants.

And yes, tens of millions of "them" are here among us, pale face.

4) Do you need a diagram drawn in crayon?

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Thanks!!! I have tired hard to keep my head out of the warm, dark place of my anatomy.

Great kiss-ass maneuver. Can't afford any appearance or suspicion of disloyalty to the herd.

[392cobra]

[quote=cavedog57;960817]
3) They are illegal aliens. They are not invaders. The first is a result of human migration (which may be considered either legal or illegal depending on a number of factors)

And yes, tens of millions of "them" are here among us, pale face.

With you being part Blackfoot,it seems that someone along the way would have warned you about drinking.

Reading your posts on this thread sure helps me further appreciate my pale face ancestors running your ancestors out of Texas.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by cavedog57

1) Spoken like a man with respect not only for the first amendment, but human rights as well. Bravo!

2) Yes. Especially considering the worsening economic outlook and rise in popularity of fear-based demagoguery (just two among many factors).

3) They are illegal aliens. They are not invaders. The first is a result of human migration (which may be considered either legal or illegal depending on a number of factors) and the second an armed incursion by the military forces of a foreign power with the object of conquering and subjugating the inhabitants.

And yes, tens of millions of "them" are here among us, pale face.

4) Do you need a diagram drawn in crayon?

Tonto:

1)Cowards hide behind the first amendment when their arguement is weak & liberal(redundant-i know).

2)WTF the does the economy have to do with foreign invaders?
3)THEY ARE INVADERS.They are crossing our borders causing harm to our country.No different than Attila the Hun
4)Only liberals need crayons.

BTW,Tonto-Indians weren't the first ones here in North America.And we really need to play Cowboys & Indians again.This time we'll wipe you completely out.

[computerworks]

Just not worth following anymore.

Closed so that none of you hurt yourselves in the playground.