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Obama Speaks, Pelosi Winces
Anybody BUT me notice how Pelosi almost exploded when a republican rebuked the illegal aliens comment? She looked once, then twice, then again! Then grabbed a piece of paper, did something with it and tossed it up on the rail in front of her with an AWFUL expression.
Maybe someone can youtube this.
In any event, I think someone is in deep dookie!
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I had the mute on and didn't hear why she had her face all screwed up.
I just thought that the way she had been bouncing up and down out of that chair of her's that the coil spring attached to her ass had come loose and slide up the wrong hole.
I was embarrased for the Republican attitude many times during the speech, kind of like I'm embarrased right now for iwantacobra427's comment. Communisim? You clearly don't have a clue what your talking about. Why stop there? Why not Nazi or Socialist? Let me try one, how about freakin' ignorant red neck talking $hit? You want a discussion or a bar fight?
The man who called the President a liar has publicly apologized, it was an outrageous outburst. Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter, the guy will get an earful from both sides of the isle for his disrespect of the office. He'll be lucky to survive his next election. AMERICANS have higher values than that, at least, MOST of us do!
There were several opportunities for Repubs to stand up, clap and support BASIC fundamental concepts of American spirit as expressed by the President. They're failure to do so speaks volumes of they're arrogance. I did not expect them to express support in any way for some of the points the President made. But they're bitterness, entrenched idealology and unwillingness to find common ground was readily apparent for the NATION to see.
On at least ONE point there appeared to be mutual agreement, the need for some kind of tort reform! That was encouraging.
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It seems that every administration Tort reform comes up as a big political issue and once they milk it for all the publicity they can get from it, it goes away until another politician needs something to get themselves on the news. How about Congressional Reform starting with Pelosi, Fienstien, Boxer and all the rest to follow.
You know the tort reform issue sounded pretty bi-partisan to me, especially considering the response it got from both sides of the isle. But if you want to make it a partisan issue, well OK then...
The Redubs had eight years to "milk it", as you say. What we got? Same old thing, status quo, do nothing, yell names, talk $hit, be negative, no leadership, stuck in the mudd and spinning their wheels.
Reform IS going to happen, with or without them. It will most likely be without them because they STILL don't have basic leadership of their own party! Consider the "spokes persons". Glenn Beck maybe? A sensationislistc, headline grabbing "shock jock"? An interesting character but hardly a guy you want leading your party! How about Limbaugh? Basically the same thing, perhaps a tad more intelligent. Still, the primary focus being radicalizing the issues to increase ratings. These guys make for great sound bites, but they're not helping build a solid party platform. It's a house built on sand my friend, it cannot stand. The party itself is in need of reform from within.
I'll tell WHY I think Rep. Joe Wilson stuck his foot in his mouth so badly.
Because he's been talking about the Democrats/Obama in such a negative way for so long with so many people he just blurted out what he HAS BEEN saying for a long time in private! He had become a victim of forum talk JUST LIKE we see here. Where strong minded folks gather and throw terms around without really considering the implications. Liar, communist, socialist, Nazi's, the list goes on. Then you get together with like minded people at dinner, a cruise in/car show, a political event, a BBQ and CONTINUE that kind of talk until it saturates your soul. You begin to say really stupid stuff without even "thinking about it" because it IS what you HAVE become!
Rep. Joe Wilson is a classic example of exactly what many within the Republican party HAVE become! "Radicalized" from this constant flow of negative BS that is heard on the radio, TV, in print, blogs and forums by other radicalized Repubs. It's like a massive circle jerk of Obama bashing, your killing your party dudes. And for that reason I say, "Carry on", dig that hole a little deeper.
You know the tort reform issue sounded pretty bi-partisan to me, especially considering the response it got from both sides of the isle. But if you want to make it a partisan issue, well OK then...
Just how did I make it a partisan thing in my post. Did I not state that every administration uses it as political publicity and then it goes away? Also I included all of Congress in my statement that it should be reformed and the old bunch voted out.
And do you honestly believe that we have any leadership now?
How about Congressional Reform starting with Pelosi, Fienstien, Boxer and all the rest to follow.
Sounded fairly partisan to me Ron, it appears I was mistaken on that part. As has been said before, there is simply to much on the table right now to tackle that specific issue (tort reform). But it was encouraging to see that it has broad support and I hope, in due time, it comes around again.
Yes, I really DO believe we have good leadership, right now. I really DO see Obama making every attempt to reach a bi-partisan agreement on many of todays pressing issues. Frankly, I am loosing confidence in the Republicans to help make that happen.
Actually Ernie I lost confidence in the Republican and Democratic parties years ago to do much of anything but worry about their next election. I actually hope that Obama can succeed for the good of the country and I do believe he is trying in some ways, but I don't think he has the intelligence to do it himself. And some of the people he has appointed have no experience in what they are there for. Do away with the pay back appointments and put knowledgeable advisers in those positions that can actually understand what needs to be done and counsel him on it. But like with all past presidents, it will actually take years to know if he was a good leader. Just my opinion.
Was anyone else bothered by the length of the applause before the speech? I understand showing support (or sucking up) but it continued for a rediculously long time, seemingly to the point of annoyance to the President. And Pelosi just stood in the back with that silly a$$ grin, clapping with the rest of them. Even when she picked up the gavel, she failed to take control of the position. Standing there tapping with it while keeping the silly grin on her face. Poor showing of authority.
I did not think this was the proper way to show respect to the position of President. This should have been done with dignity and pride....not as the opening of the "Tonight Show".
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The tort reform "bone" is not and will not be part of any health care bill. It's a bone with no meat, no marrow. Dried up useless bone and Obama knows it. So do the conservatives.
Joe Wilson's breech of decorum was regretable. And he will suffer the consequences. But, what he said was true and Obama knows it... and so do the rest of us.
As for it not costing one "new" dime, that's a lie too.
BTW, I find it disgusting that insurance companies have the pre-existing condition clause, etc, etc. But forcing them to take folks like this will have VERY predictable outcomes. Health care rates will go up... the opposite of what Obama Care is attempting to do. As for the "public option", it is now DOA. He killed it himself when he claimed it would pay for itself with premiums from the "5%".
Just like credit card reform, Obama Care will raise costs, not lower them. Americans are smarter than that. I found Obam's speech fairly partisan. And then calling on Teddy's memory, well that too was regretable, but predictable. Also, forcing people to have insurance will most likely prove unconstitutional. It will get challenged if it passes.
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Anyone who listened/watched the"speech" last night that is not embarrassed, worried, disappointed, or depressed is still deluding themself about how this country is being and has been governed. This speech was about making wholesale changes to 1/6 of our economy. It looked and sounded like a high school pep rally. Yea for giving the masses what they want. Boo for the insurance companies. Yea for forcing coverage for pre-existing conditions. Boo for the Bush deficit.
I am embarrassed, worried and depressed, not disappointed because I have come to expect this juvenile behavior.
If there is no intent to requiring change to what most of us have (repeated several times)
why is it called "Comprehensive" health care reform? Passed in any form close to what was described, this bill will change us all, maybe permanently.
As all of the other nations that have tried & found out, if we make as our goal that everyone gets all the health care that they want you either have to forceably ration care or you will run out of money. & pretty quickly too!
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AMERICANS have higher values than that, at least, MOST of us do!
Hello Ernie,
I have to comment on the above comment.
If we truely stood up for our higher values, 95% of these A$$ Clowns would not be in office. I'm embarrased to be represented by most of these people. They have turned themselves into the ruling elite. Passing laws that do not apply to them.
We have turned our political system into a joke, where the person with the most money that can buy the most votes wins.
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Joe Wilson simply said what many of us are thinking. Obama may not call what he is doing "lying", he may even believe it, but this is deception pure and simple.
Not cost one new dime?
Not cover illegal aliens?
Not raise costs?
No government paid counsel on end of life issues?
No rationing?
Those are lies. The problem is, the left does not care about that. They know these are lies too. What they want is government health care. At any cost.
More courageous folk like Joe Wilson are what we need. I will be heading over to his website to say so also.
Mike
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If we truely stood up for our higher values, 95% of these A$$ Clowns would not be in office. I'm embarrased to be represented by most of these people. They have turned themselves into the ruling elite. Passing laws that do not apply to them.
We have turned our political system into a joke, where the person with the most money that can buy the most votes wins.
51 This is not only true for the US but for many other countries as well. Just think about it for a minute. How many bright, honest, hard working people will choose politics over science, medicine, business, etc? My answer is "very few because politics is full of back stabbing, dishonest, scum bags". Even if a bright, honest, hard working person were to get elected with the best interest of the public in mind, the system would chew him/her up and spit him/her out. You either play the game by the rules that have been set by the scum bags that run the system, or you fail.
Unfortunately 99% of politicians give the rest a bad name.
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I think you are channeling your view of what the republican party is and was, they are the liars they are the ones who can't govern, they are the ones with no respect for others let alone the President, never before has there been an outburst such as that, and Joe Wilson should be sanctioned and fined on the house floor and made to apologize to all Americans, this is not one of the town hall meetings where you shout down a women in a wheel chair, but then what can you expect.
You have to read the bill to know what's in it, and its apparent too many on this site are incapable of doing that. So go ahead keep shouting at the lady in the wheel chair it only shows you for who you really are, Ignorant redneck bigots!
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Thanks Cobra Bill, no doubt you just got MY thread locked. And it is possible that that is your intent... to stifle discussion. I hope Jamo will not do that. Maybe Jamo can think of something else to do here and let this thread stay open.
When a person is constantly being bombarded with lies, they will eventually boil over. That is all that happened last night. Joe Wilson is neither a red neck nor is he and incompetent congressman. The president has the bully pulpit. If he wants to lie to the Americans, he has every right to do so. Now, if Americans choose to believe those lies, well, that is their choice also.
I thank Joe Wilson for saying what I was thinking. Obama IS lying to us. Most of us here know that. Obama knows that if he fails here, his presidency is doomed. It is not our fault that HE chose to stick his neck out on this one. Passing this bill to save him is the stupidest thing we could ever do.
When his site comes back up (joewilson.house.gov) I intend to thank him.
Health Care Reform = Tort Reform + Cross Border Insurance Competition - Fraud - Illegal Aliens
Its THAT simple.
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